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To Err Is Artyukhin

ARTHUR:

The Blues opened scoring last night on the man advantage after Evgeny Artyukhin was sent to the box for Tripping. I've made the joke before that Artyukhin was suspended for two games for hitting Antoine Vermette with his own helmet, but really he was suspended for one year to be served in two minute increments for the rest of his career.

The Ducks are 75%, 6 for 8, when killing off an Artyukhin penalty, and that's on par with their 21st in the NHL 74.4 overall kill percentage. But when you look at the penalties, the big Russian has only 2 Roughing minors (the penalties you assume will happen in the rhythm of his game), and the opposition has scored on neither. But his double minor for High-Sticking against the Rangers and his Tripping penalty to open scoring last night were both bad penalties which were converted in shutout losses.

Daniel, the referees are watching Artyukhin very closely. Should Randy Carlyle scratch him until he gets the needless penalties out of his game, or should the Ducks accept this as the cost of being in the Artyukhin business?

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DANIEL:

My concern with scratching Artyukhin is that he is such a unique player. His combination of size and speed are literally unmatched. I don't think Nokelainan has the same presence along the boards or the break out speed, and that's who would end up taking his place on that line. If Ebbett were still around, you could put him on the second line and drop Christensen down. Lupul-Marchant-Christensen could still work well as an energy line; I'm just worried we might lose too much toughness.

I think this still comes back to the PK issue. Artyukhin will take penalties. Even if it's mundane penalties, we can't surrender goals on the first two penalties and then decide to kill. Yes, Artyukhin needs to learn to defend with his body and not his stick, but he will take penalties. And it shouldn't matter if it's Roughing or Tripping, it should be killed. I just think we're blaming Artie for a bigger problem.

 

ARTHUR:

Well I would agree with an argument that if the rest of the Ducks don't have to watch their bad penalties, why should Artyukhin?

But I think we're missing a lesson learned from Chris Pronger's playoff performance last year. Knowing he was facing a deadly power play with the Sharks, Prongs limited himself to one bad penalty, a Holding call, and two good Cross Checking calls to let the Sharks and Cheechoo know the front of the net wouldn't be friendly.

Pronger knew he was going to be watched closely (as usual), and he found a way to be clean AND effective. But he didn't become a teddy bear; he didn't refrain from taking the penalties he had to take. As a physical player, if you put a borderline check on a guy or you protect the front of the net, your teammates should be happy to kill that penalty. That's a strategic penalty that affects the way the other team plays. But if you're slashing and tripping guys, you're just disrupting your team's flow, and you can't expect them to be excited to back you up because you're too lazy to use your feet instead of your stick.

And I see your irrational love of Ebbett in your suggestion, but scratching Artyukhin would just mean going to a seven defensemen set where Mikkelson plays on the fourth line and Brown (or maybe Carter) sees time with Marchant and Lupul. The important thing is to send the message to Artyukhin, the other players and maybe even the referees that lazy penalties won't be tolerated from R2. Carlyle has used the healthy scratch as a coaching tool to send that message before; I don't see why Artyukhin would be immune from that treatment.

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we do need him, but he is taking excessive penalties, which we cannot afford.
I dont have much to say until the next game, I missed the blues game, luckily.

Good work guys, keep it up.

Stay patient.

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by tu madre on Oct 18, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Great Topic!

I definitely find myself both cheering for him (on a breakaway) and worrying about him every time he gets too close to someone…anywhere.

I’ve never thought to consider that the team would be more/less willing to kill a penalty based on the reason for being a man short.

I’m all for someone having a discussion with the guy about good/bad penalties. Maybe they should have a TEAM meeting about that!

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by SK eleven on Oct 18, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

You know, sometimes the kind of penalty really matters. It’s old school hockey thinking, but if I’m Koivu and I get chepashotted and Artyukhin takes a penalty for a retaliatory cheapshot, I’ll stay out there for all two minutes to kill that penalty.

Parros has been too classy for cheapshots, but it’s a valuable tool. If you go back to the Stuey and Ewey days of the Ducks, Grimson was great at just putting an elbow into an opposing skill player; he knew not everything has to be solved with a fight. We definitely need that, but he needs to move his feet more— he clearly can!

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 18, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carlyle Agrees

OC Register reports that Carlyle agrees.

This is the second time in as many of my question prompts that someone else has picked up a topic after we write on it.. I swear, we are trying to write on things that are relevant but not covered. I’m going to start preparing a prompt on the Honda Center’s 1/2 lb. hot dog meal.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 18, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better, I read it here first! :)

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by SK eleven on Oct 18, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I choose to believe we’re trend setters. I agree SK this topic is important. It gets to the core of a lot of what’s going wrong with the team right now. No one is meshing, everyone looks lost and as much as I like Artyukhin’s play, I have to agree that his penalties only elongate this process.

I just think scratching him will do even more harm than his penalties do. I remember Arthur and I having a discussion about players learning to fit into their roles, although who that was and why we were having the conversation escapes me. Carlyle is moving so many parts so frequently I think he’s creating a situation where no one is learning their role, and I think it’s even more detrimental considering our traditional grind style might not be as practical with this group of players.

by Daniel AC on Oct 18, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Carlyle does have a tendency to get over “shuffley” from time to time. In that same bit of article about Artyukhin’s penalty woes, I think he also talks about not giving Lupul the chance to get situated properly. On the same note, there was an earlier article about Marchant and how he’s finally discovered what his role is on the team, and that for some time it was difficult to play his game because he didn’t know what it was supposed to be.

I think that might be why the only group that is doing their job properly is the 4th line, because they know what is expected of them.

Not that I’d like to sit through anymore 5-0 losses, but if we have to endure a few more ugly games so that guys like Artyukhin and Lupul can get properly adjusted, I’m all for it.

Then again, I thought that’s what the preseason was for!

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by SK eleven on Oct 19, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

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