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DANIEL:

This is Anaheim Calling to the hockey world.

The Ducks have now dropped back to back games.  However, unlike the St. Louis game, the Ducks attempted a comeback and then found their offense once again failing them in the waning minutes last night.  The scoring chances were plentiful, but perhaps the Finnish was lacking.  The Finnish duo that is supposed to provide the secondary scoring looked better in last night's game against the Stars, but Selanne only has those 4 early goals, and Koivu has a goal and an assist.  Arthur, do you think the soon-to-be Olympians have rounded a corner, or is it time for Carlyle to use one of his favorite tactics and split the duo up in order to make them earn time with each other?

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ARTHUR:

I don't think splitting up that duo is one of Carlyle's "favorite tactics." He certainly doesn't split up Perry and Getzlaf unless things are going horribly wrong. Though we could certainly question whether or not Selanne and Koivu actually have the chemistry for which they are credited.

I think Carlyle's right that the problem with the second line is one of composition. Koivu and Selanne are working well together, but are often limited to one shot or scoring chance on a shift-- something like Koivu going behind the net, throwing the puck in front to Selanne, the opposing defense retrieving the puck and starting a transition. There should be more in their attack sequence.

Conventional hockey wisdom says that, if you have one-dimensional players, you build a line with a speedster, a finesse player and a hitter. The speedster is your goal scorer, the finesse player is your playmaker and the hitter tries to disrupt the defense and maintain posession. Now, these are professionals, not kids in peewee, but Lupul and Selane can certainly be called one-dimensional. You often see them bunching on plays and expecting Koivu to both disrupt the defense AND distribute the puck. A physical presence or an additonal playmaking presence does much more for that line than Lupul. That's why you saw success with Ryan on the flank last night and with Christensen there earlier.

If Carlyle can put the right piece on that line, Selanne and Koivu will be able to create a sustained attack. I think we've underestimated Jere Lehtinen's contribution to the Wonder Finns.

 

DANIEL:

I think Carlyle has proven that he will move players around the lines if they aren't producing at what he thinks is 100%. There's no denying that Koivu and Selanne are working with a limited number of chances, and you're right to say it's usually one and done. However, I think the scoring chances for the Finns are coming more form the rush than anywhere else, and even those have been limited. Ryan did create more opportunities and held the puck in, but in the back of my mind, I see him dishing to Joffrey Lupul. The two of them were playing together frequently in the preseason, and I can't understand why Carlyle hasn't gotten back to that combination. He needs offense, and Ryan and Lupul seemed to be developing a knack for finding each other. Imagine what they could do if they were being centered by Koivu, who's shown how badly he wants to work behind the net to get the puck into the slot or into the crease.

Also, Getzlaf and Perry have always been willing to cycle. Selanne might be better served running with them on every shift. Last year that line was pretty potent with the man advantage. Carlyle separated them so that he could have some offense on another line. But now, he has exactly that. I'm a huge Teemu Selanne fan, however there's no denying that he seems to be the squeaky wheel in this situation. It's really about finding him a comfortable place. Finishers are the most finicky pieces of a line combination. Checkers will always check, and playmakers will get the puck to whoever is there. But a finisher needs a guy who knows where he will be. I know Koivu came here to play with Selanne, but the Ducks can't mess this one up. When we were playing the Blues, Carlyle broke up the Perry-Getzlaf duo in order to shake up the team and generate a little offense. It's time he considers doing the same to the Wonder Finns, so he can exercise all offensive options and make sure we have the two scoring lines we need to be competitive. Because let's face it, the D isn't going to get too much better anytime soon.

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I had mentioned this earlier before the season started, but why is it that we’re so determined to make 2 superstar lines when we have the numbers to make 3!

I agree with you Daniel, Lupul and Ryan were looking very effective with one another during the preseason, and we haven’t seen that once in the first 8 games.

Likewise, it seems that what is missing from these lines might be the physical aspect. Getzlaf and Perry have the finish and the playmaking abilities, but put someone up there to ruffle feathers (since Perry doesn’t seem to like haning around the net much anymore). Same for Selanne and Koivu. Koivu is very physical, but he can’t do both parts. Give them a 3rd player to make some noise.

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by SK eleven on Oct 22, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I definitely like Ryan for a physical player on that second line. Our first line is very three-dimensional, but everyone but Perry is having trouble cashing in. So why NOT spread that talent around?

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 22, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess my point, which I don’t think I made clear, was why put Ryan up there to be the physical guy. Let him be the finisher or the playmaker on his own line (alongside Lupul for instance). Instead, put Marchant on the 2nd line and Nokelainen on the first line. A guy who isn’t dedicated to scoring goals, but instead creating holes and making space for the other two.

LOL, unless I did make that clear, and in that case…nevermind. :)

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by SK eleven on Oct 22, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha. No, I got that you were agreeing with Daniel. But I think you need a real power forward as the physical guy on the second line. Marchant and Christensen won’t cut it, but we’ve got three skilled three-dimensional power forwards on the first line.

This is very basic hockey thinking, of course, so I can’t see it applying to a professional squad. But Teemu and Joffrey look like they’re trying to do the same thing when they’re out there together. In Nintendo Ice Hockey terms, we don’t need to put a far guy on the second line if we can play a medium sized guy really well

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 22, 2009 12:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

aahhhh memmories. Nintendo Ice Hockey: fat, skinny, medium. awesome.

This analogy is perfect for explaining what we need on our lines. Too many of the same thing creates weakness.

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by tu madre on Oct 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My brother would OWN me with one medium and two skinny guys, at which point I promptly accused him of euro hockey.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya,but the Ducks are having enough problems trying to put together 2 productive/superstar lines. I think that a 3rd would just over complicate things.

by yankeeken on Oct 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, thats funny, cause I thought by breaking up the superstar egos, it would help to simplify them.

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by SK eleven on Oct 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess SK is talking about transforming Lupul and Ryan into another inseparable pair and then rotating the most productive center, like we do the wings with the Getzlaf-Perry and Koivu-Selanne duos.

My point was simply that Carlyle has broken up the Getzlaf-Perry duo before and it’s time to explore breaking up Koivu-Selanne. I agree with Arthur that Lupul and Selanne seem to be doing the same thing and it’s disrupting the flow of the line, but I think it’s better to explore the possibility of putting Selanne with Perry and Getzlaf, because that duo has a more thorough cycling game. Lupul-Koivu-Ryan would have almost equal cycle potential. I just see those line combinations having better in zone staying power.

Also, I had to rush this so sorry if it’s not clear.

by Daniel AC on Oct 22, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

well at this point its worth a shot.

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by tu madre on Oct 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the other hand of all of this…

I’m also for them making NO changes and just letting them get it all figured out themselves. But who knows how long that would take…and if it will be as lucrative as we imagine.

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by SK eleven on Oct 22, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Call me crazy but….

R2-Getz-Selanne
Ryan-Marchant-Lupul
Brown-Koivu-Perry
EC/Noke-Carter-Parros

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by The Waterboy on Oct 22, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

soooooooooooooooooooooooo,

Artyukhin gets himself a little suspension…

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by SK eleven on Oct 22, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Here’s a link to a video of the hit

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by SK eleven on Oct 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve watched the video a few times. As a repeat offender, it’s tough to give him the benefit of the doubt. Artyukhin makes contact upstairs first, but he’s definitely leading with that right leg. I suppose Niskanen could have worked harder to keep that left leg on the ice, but R2 is a big man.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 22, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

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