Open Gameday Thread Leafs @ Ducks
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
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Toronto Maple Leafs at Anaheim Ducks, Oct 26, 2009 7:00 PM PDT
Start: 7PM TV: PRIME TICKET Radio: AM 830
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ARTHUR:
Pogge will be waiting in the wings tonight, working on his best Howard Sims impression in case he needs to tap dance Hiller out of the crease.
The OC Register offers this likely lineup:
Joffrey Lupul-Ryan Getzlaf-Corey Perry
Bobby Ryan-Saku Koivu-Teemu Selanne
Matt Beleskey-Todd Marchant-Petteri Nokelainen
Mike Brown-Erik Christensen-George Parros
Scott Niedermayer-Brendan Mikkelson
Nick Boynton-Steve Eminger OR Sheldon Brookbank
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Are you at the game tonight?
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh and by the way
Earl announced this in the BoC Ducks thread. I have a feeling they, and maybe we, will be changing our feelings on credentials
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t know this was the worst start in the HISTORY of the Leafs. That means, if we lose, we’re losing to the worst Leafs team EVER.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions
He got psyched by the gaping net. It was happening to Ebbett this season. Happens to me every time I play NHL 09. I almost never roof it when I should.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Ducks
Do beat the Leafs, won’t you? Gotta create a little more buffer at the bottom with the Islanders. For draft entertainment’s sake, anyway.
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I would be grief-stricken, GRIEF STRICKEN, if we didn’t. Islanders looked good tonight, or they did in the brief Center Ice play I watched
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was worried about weighing in — I don’t want to jinx anything. (Not that I’m superstitious. Knock on wood.)
Isles made some progress tonight. They had their moments.
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The Isles played a solid game. I felt bad for you guys so I couldn’t even come by your recap thread. The Caps did not deserve those points. The one thing the Isles did that I really hated was playing one man in on the forecheck and 4 at the red line(!) for basically the whole third period. That is about the only thing the Isles did to deserve a loss.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d have liked a power play. When it rains it pours. Still I like the chances we’re generating. didn’t know Gustavsson would be so huge so early.
can’t fight that huge booty smell
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice! Good sign. Loved Nokelainen as an Islander. Strong player, like Pahlsson-lite — he just had a nasty knee injury that sabotaged his time.
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Yeah, I never thought he was a bust pick for you guys at all. He’s just had bad luck. Ducks like him; they inked him to a multi-year
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Supposedly the story here was that he/his agent actually talked to the Islanders about a fresh start. I think you attend camp and you’re in the fight while your body’s not anywhere near 100%, you feel like you’re not starting level with the other prospects.
Of course he reached 100% once he left! Ah well, I’m happy for him.
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I like how Getzlaf lets that elbow linger on Beauchemin’s face. It’s the Sasquatchewan’s way of saying, “Hey, your tribute video is over.”
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions
alright, tribute video made me laugh a little. I don’t know what the hell Bobby was thinking though. Beauchy would have killed him.
He was saving Getzlaf from a penalty. That’s why he promptly deposited Beauch into the ref’s hands. Bobby doesn’t want his face broken, or to end up talking funnier than he already does.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Hiller was watching that pass. You can’t follow a puck with your eyes into your crease and hope it makes its way into unoccupied space.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
because you’re playing me this week. You jinxed us. Good job, Daniel.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think some player discipline is to blame. Ryan knew he was reaching. Dont know what Wisniewski was thinking.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, our penalty kill is horrible.
As it was pointed out on Behind the Net we desperately need actual penalty killers.
I commented on that when he put it up because Farrish is trying something new on the PK. Marchant and Brown and Wisniewski were great penalty killers last year, but we haven’t used them as much. We’re definitely going in a different direction, but it’s not a personnel issue. I’d be shocked if we in any way acquired a shorthanded specialist.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t expect us to acquired a shorthanded specialist either. I just feel that we should be using more defensive oriented players on the penalty kill. I don’t think we should be putting Lupul, Koivu or even Getzlaf on the kill. Instead we should be using players like Carter, Noke and Brown along with Marchant.
I quit. apparently we will always be called for being in the vicinity of another player. We are being dominated by the Leafs.
You can’t complain about that call. The refs let the teams know where the strike zone was. You want to go parallel to the hands in the offensive zone, you’re going to get called.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but ever since Burke showed up we can’t get a game called evenly. The Ducks do everything wrong and no one else seems to commit penalties. It’s just ridiculous the things that called against us. They’re basically saying that skating next to a guy is going to get you a penalty.
No, it’s not that bad yet. None of these are reputation calls. The refs are trying to rein in the game after some chippy blow ups. The players need to calm down; it’s not a ref issue yet.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The cast of Cold Case says we'll win????
Why even watch the rest of the game. Two Points!
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions
Are the refs being that bad, or are the Ducks just being stupid?
Also, if anyone needs a link to watch live on the internet, just say so and i can get you the hookup
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Well, Ryan’s penalty set the boundaries for stick work so that call sucked but it was Hooking. Then Wisniewski and Nokelainen were being stupid, Wisniewski because he didn’t need to do that already down a man. Nokelainen because he was in the offensive zone and he saw the Ryan call.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, let me put the stick in there and lift his hands above his head. That won’t get me sent back to the AHL.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s like a hockey snuff film.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the first time someone has said that about the Ducks. They’ve shown almost no intensity every time I’ve watched them this year. Do you think it’s just a matter of getting used to the new blood (and not having the old blood) or is it something more?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlyle says they weren’t practicing hard enough. They’re now practicing harder, still nothing. They might be fighting for his job tonight. It will be hard to explain this loss away.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Caps had the same problem. Have had a few bag skate practices lately.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The Ducks have to love the response from Nieds there. Tough to go five on three but they are already playing a pretty poor game and it says a lot when even Nieds is out there getting in the other team’s face for hits like that. Green got railed against the Isles and the Caps had no response, I was pretty upset by that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, you can’t leave players laid out. We learned that the hard way.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like the Caps think it’s some guys’ role but not others to stick up for each other. When Green got kneed Alex Giroux (of AHL greatness) had a chance to get in Thompson’s face and show he can add something to the NHL. His actual response? He literally looked like a wide receiver looking for a pass interference flag. Ridiculous. We had a soft group out there against a pretty tough group for the Isles but someone has to do something when Mike Green gets hit like that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never been sure about the Southeast. But I always rely on the Northeast to clear the benches. And I hate iterations of those teams that don’t. If you won’t stand up for your teammates, you’re a phony and you should stop playing hockey. My opinion at least.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree at all. The SE has never been the roughest division around, normally the teams addressed that issue by just having one designate enforcer on their team. I think that’s a stupid use of a roster spot. I think there should always be at least two guys on the ice that are ready and willing to throw down, even if they aren’t heavyweights.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Despite Parros (and historically Karpa or Ewen), I’ve never believed in that singular enforcer. And in today’s NHL, your Sean Avery’s won’t fight them. I’ve always been more of a Stu Grimson or strategic enforcer kind of guy. You don’t always have to fight to keep a game clean; sometimes you just have to rough up their star player a little and remind them they have something at stake, too. It’s those little plays that usually prevent guys from feeling they can blow a guy up 8 feet from the boards. And by “learned that the hard way” I meant the years we went without Grimson. Kariya had a concussion per year back then. And Karpa would almost always wait for the other team’s enforcer to take the ice. Useless.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I completely agree with you about the enforcer role (and also am a big Parros fan). I never thought about the aspect of an enforcer going out there to rough up the opponent’s stars, but it’s a great point. Enforcers can’t do anything from the bench so if a star gets cheap shotted they are probably on the bench; but you can just send him out a couple shifts later and have him go repay the favor. You’ll probably go SH but you’ll get your point across. Overall though, I’d much rather have tough guys that play hockey than a big bad enforcer.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I have trouble with hidden cheapshots like Carcillo and Cammalleri elbowing people in the face in the playoffs. I mean, Gordie Howe broke a few jaws in his time, but a lot of those guys were at least expecting it. Bobby Orr had a great story about cheapshotting Howe, getting cheapshotted back and then asking his teammates not to go after him. When you get the immediate response that the other guy/team is going to stand up for themselves, it can usually end there. It doesn’t need to turn into a ceremonial fight between heavyweights five shifts later.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah exactly. Howe is also a different example just because of how much more players got away with then. He was subjected to a lot of targeting and if he didn’t repay in kind he was just going to get beat on.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That was just a sweet shot. Can’t wait to see this kid wearing red, white, and blue (Team USA, not the Caps… I’m not delusional).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions
Gustavsson was set, too. He just snaked it in an inch from the post.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Gustavsson has been solid tonight. Robbed Christensen earlier in the game. If he stays healthy I wonder how many more starts Toskala gets.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That only works if he proves he can do that. But I think you’re right, they won’t just flat out put him on the bench but I’m not convinced they’ll ever get anything valuable back for him.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Enough to help them move him, or if he continues to suck, enough to not stress Gustavsson or his heart or whatever. They’re certainly paying him enough, might as well play him if it will do any good. Not that this season is lost…
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No, this season is far from over, but Toskala has looked bad since basically day 1 in TOR. If Burke can manage to get anything of value back I’ll be very impressed.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea where his game went. A playoff team might take him as a backup in March. I suppose you could treat him like a backup and give him winnable games (don’t know what those are for the Leafs). They do have Allaire to work with him. But with him on the books for the year and probably immovable, they’ve got to at least use him to keep the rookie rested.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a long way to go so maybe he can refine his game. I could see him going to a young playoff team with cap space if they just wanted another veteran goalie. A team like CBJ or STL might make sense from that angle. Even LAK could possibly fit that bill depending on how their goaltending shakes out.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He’ll get something. Someone will want a veteran net minder heading into the postseason. Even if it’s just a 6th or 7th rounder. Burke loves draft picks.
True. No NMC and an expiring contract mean that Burke can give him away for peanuts, potentially. And that’s better than nothing when he’s clearly not in the future.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
why you start him against me, I’ll never know.
I want to know what Wisniewski was doing there. No passing options across the crease. How is that a shot-block situation?
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Wisniewski sucks. They called it the first time. They don’t want to see it. He does it again.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That was a pretty terrible goal against.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, brutal call. Absolutely terrible.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 PM PDT reply actions
Ha
I swear I said that before the ANA color guy.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Once they call you for Slashing, you shouldn’t take a two-handed swing for the rest of the game. Well, maybe if the ref is in front of you, but even then, the farside ref would just call it.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you’ll get all the goalie points this week. I hope Hiller breaks a leg soon. He hasn’t had a decent game all year.
I think you have more starts for your three, so I’ll probably have to play my guys to try to win shots against and wins. You never know. Thomas and Miller might have a bad game. Turco certainly will.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess but that was a pretty good hockey play and considering how quickly and emphatically the puck jumped I feel like it should have been clear that he got the puck.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What I hate about the two ref system is how often the backside judge makes calls on clean plays and how the near side guy sometimes feel the pressure of having to make a call. Anyone in front of the play wouldn’t have called it. But neither guy was close enough.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve had a serious problem with that for a long time. I think the NHL should go to ref teams so they can learn to communicate and learn how they like to call the games. That way when those backside refs think they see something they’d understand if the near side ref thought it was a PIM or not. A quick glance could communicate whether the near ref saw the play and thought it was clean, or just didn’t see the play. It’s so infuriating when the near side ref is in perfect position and doesn’t make the call but you still go SH.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, i HATE when the two refs can’t communicate. It’s often obvious that the near side ref intends to let something go, and along comes the backside guy to make a bad call. It’s ridiculous.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe just tell the near side ref to make a “safe” sign with his arms when he saw a play that he knows is likely to be questionable. How many times do you think the near side ref has to say to the backside guy “Uh, yeah, I saw that and it was a clean play” as they are giving the numbers to the scorekeeper for the PIM. Nothing you can do after the fact in that case but the near side ref knows it’s the wrong call.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve heard people argue that hockey is fluid, but so is basketball and they correct each other all the time. If the NHL refs can’t learn a few extra hand signals, they should never be allowed to go on strike.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah seriously.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what Allaire is thinking, and I wonder what Peeters is DOING
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions
Or he is whispering in Pogge’s ear. Now’s our chance!
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Pogge still has to lose the number three job. Pielmeier can’t win it from where he’s playing.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Terrible work by Komisarek on that goal. Way to stand still and cover nobody.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions
I would brace yourself for more of that this season
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Gustavsson is clearly Jesus.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Luke Schenn is Jesus. Gustavsson is gonna have to settle for a lesser role. Toskala is obviously Judas.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay. Gustavsson is the holy spirit.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
There you go.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t know. They are getting so close. Getzlaf with another post. Selanne with the post. As badly as ANA has played they could actually have tied the game this period.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This is hockey not alcohol addiction
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The two seem to go well together… especially if you’re a Ducks fan right now.
(Holy crap another post.)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Leafs fans should be passing their flasks around.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Today it’s for a joyous occasion. But it won’t be for most of the year. I can’t wait to see their reaction when BOS gets to use their hard earned draft pick next summer.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Burke did all that wheeling and dealing for nothing
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So far. I have a feeling Kessel will really help their offense; him and Grabovski should be fun to watch with all that speed. But they still are going to be giving up a pretty good draft pick, even if not a lottery pick.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
They are still so many pieces away from being a contender. That much has become obvious.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Oct 26, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely. They don’t even look ready to contend for a playoff spot yet. With or without Kessel.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
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