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Murph's Law

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ARTHUR:

Anaheim calling to the hockey world...

Since Brian Burke's departure, the hockey media has generally marveled at Bob Murray's management of the Ducks' assets.   Like Burke, many of these opportunities came to him: Anaheim was a natural consideration for Koivu after being shut out of Montreal, and who doesn't want Chris Pronger?   But Murray showed he could make some major deals at last year's trade deadline, calling in some old Blackhawk favors, unloading pending free agents and picking up quality prospects and RFA's.   Still, for whatever reason, Murray has built a team much less stable than that of his predecessor.   And just as the media wondered if Carlyle would be fired because Murray didn't hire him, because Carlyle wasn't Murph's choice, should they now wonder if Henry Samueli will fire Bob Murray for not being the recently reinstated owner's choice?

Daniel, I've recently made the joke that it's time for Samueli to fire Murray and give him some backdated stock and an autographed 8x10 glossy of Wendel Clark as a severance package. But assuming that longtime Duck figure (and one of last year's most popular GM job interviewees) David McNab would take his place, should Samueli fire Bob Murray before the general manager moves more of the Ducks assets this season?

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DANIEL:

I think we should consider getting rid of Murray. As you just said, Koivu was pretty much going to come here no matter what. All Murray did was recycle Burke's first Chris Pronger deal.  And the additions of Wisniewski and Whitney, in my opinion, pale greatly to the potential of Nick Bonino.   Looking at today's roster, Murray's work has led to the acquisition of Nokelainen, Wiz, Whitney, and Christensen, as well as potential assets Bonino and Pielmeier, while losing Tangradi, O'Dell, the entire 2007 stopper line, and Beauchemin. Why we can pay Wisniewski's crazy string of penalty killing mistakes 2.75 million and not pay Beauchemin 3.8 is beyond my powers of comprehension. My main problem when looking at Murray's body of work is he was so hell-bent on getting something that he seemed to take anything. Look at the trade with Chicago.  Pahlsson was still a terrific defensive asset.  A little more effort and maybe we get a sturdier Cam Barker or Brent Seabrook.

When you look at the defensive situation this year you see a little bit of the same problem. Murray took a shotgun approach, and decided that if he brought enough D-men to camp, then Carlyle would just pick the right one. Eminger has been a pleasant surprise and Boynton is working out...I guess, but would it have killed him to get some size on the blue line?   I would have liked a proven stay at home stopper. Yes, the man was aggressive and did seize a few good players.  The problem is, I'm not sure they are the right players.  Murray has put Carlyle into a bad situation by just acquiring players instead of acquiring key players who fit the system.  As a result, Carlyle has been scrambling to make this golem of a team function.

I shudder to think what Tampa Bay will get with our 3rd Round pick after we let Artyukhin walk for taking a record 8 million penalties in the offensive zone.   If I felt like there was some plan to what Murray was doing, then I'd be willing to give him a little more time to work it out, but right now, I say bring on McNab and let's see if we can get the team going in the right direction.

 

ARTHUR:

I realize that while Murray wasn't Samueli's choice, McNab was no one's choice.  He's just a part of the Pond at this point, grown into it like Bootstrap Bill Turner into the Flying Dutchman.  But I really think he's earned this job.  He's respected in the league for what he's done and for what his father did, and he's respected amongst the players for having been a part of the Ducks organization since the supplemental draft.  He deserves this shot, and not just because so many organizations seemed willing to give him one last year.

Now if we go to McNab, then we'll probably have to say goodbye to my dreams of acquiring Duncan Keith, not to mention the advantages of having a GM with at least SOME ties to an NHL organization that is not Anaheim, but we'd be making some effort to turn this ship around.  I've said before that despite Murray's years as a pro scout, we've pretty much gotten Beauchemin, Bertuzzi and Morrison from his experience.  One out of three IS bad.  The players McNab has given us are too numerous to mention (but let's say Rucchin, Trnka, Tverdosky, Lecerlc, Salei, Cullen, McDonald, Kunitz, Penner, and Carter for starters).  One could argue that this team has always been McNab's team, helplessly imbued with his vision for the hockey club, and now that we're getting a taste of Murray's vision, I think we need to give the ship back to its rightful captain.

Can McNab sign Bobby Ryan on the cheap?  Can he make a deadline deal?  I would think that after 16 years holding the proverbial clipboard, he can run a play or two.  One thing is certain:  there is a lot of rebuilding on the horizon.  With so much of this team's future riding on how we manage this year's assets and acquisitions, I don't see how Samueli can leave this team in the hands of a man who has managed to miscalculate us into last place in the West in just one year.

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too bad…at the time i was applauding murray for his moves..they had the poteintal to all work out…but they didnt..im not sure if i fault him..i think he gambled(said this over at Boc already) and came up losing…when u gamble somtimes u lose

big changes are probally coming..lord help us..were gonna suck for a while its our turn after doing so well after all these years

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

I could accept that if we had had some sort of drop in talent, but we haven’t. My main problem isn’t that Murray gambled, it’s that he made stupid decisions when he did. He basically took the attitude that if I get something, then I did a good job. Murray settled too easily and he believed that as long as he got descent players then Carlyle would work it out. I really think that he hung Carlyle out to dry in all of this.

by Daniel AC on Nov 17, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

debatable…koviu could have pulled a “teemu” or steve thomas (old school hehe) and been rejevunated on a new team..whitney could have had a year like he had in pittsburgh (my pens roomate swears up and down that whitney was good for them one year and was the team mvp)…maybe sbisa could have came in been ready,..the list goes on…but it didnt…in ducks history moves have worked out..(scott niedemeyer pronger…teemu) and they havent…(federov..friesen…ozolinch)

but your right he used his best judgement with the money considerations he had and had bad judgement….well see what happens and who gets the axe..players? gm? coach? bottom line sux to be a ducks fan right now

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I just want to say that Koivu has played AWESOME-LY. He’s easily our most responsible forward and thus the only one who gets work on both special teams squad, where he generally outperforms everyone. He’s had to adjust his attack to the Western Conference a bit— he was consistently putting the puck on the doorstep of the crease, where it’s much harder to cash in out West —but he’s definitely not the problem.

The problem is how Murray rebuilt the defense. From Beauchemin’s own comments, he wanted to “test” free agency but stay in Anaheim— he never received an offer. Murray vouched for Sbisa as NHL-only, then agreed to send him back down, leaving us in a Lupul for Pronger situation. Going into training camp, he wastes roster spots on players like McCarthy (his first round pick in Chicago, because he apparently still cares about being proven right there). And WHERE, oh WHERE, are the players that Murray scouted as a Pro scout for Vancouver??? How long did he work that job, toiling in the minor leagues and NHL games trying to find cheap talent? Beauchemin, Bertuzzi and Morrison is all he can come up with? And then when he gets the driver’s seat. he reverts to players he scouted as a GM in McCarthy and Boynton? No wonder he was stuck as a pro scout, and no wonder they fired in Chicago after he signed and moved Wendel Clark.

Yes, the Ducks have made mistakes in the past, but they’re usually balanced out. For Bryan Murray signing Fedorov and trading Perry for Comrie, he also made the deal that drafted Getz and Pers in the first place, not to mention LISTENING to David McNab on college kids. If Carlyle didn’t want Eminger and Paterson didn’t want Artyukhin, I can’t imagine the incompetent 1999-draft eligible players that Bob Murray would have put in their place.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Nov 17, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

hard to argue the d is a joke…u could fire him on those merits alone

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed!!! I also agree that Koivu looked great in those last two victories and he really looked like he was rounding a corner.

by Daniel AC on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

i missed those last 2 games..so I missed the oppurtinity to get a koviu hard-on

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think just recommitting the penalty kill to a box out with marchant and brown bought Koivu some energy even strength. But defensively, he’s impressed me game-in and game-out.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Nov 17, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, sure hope Koivu hurries back. I’m starting to miss my in-game ranting about why can’t science find a way to inject Koivu’s effort into Getzlaf’s body.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Nov 17, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

insert gay joke here

Lol, just kidding. This post was a complete lie.

by brokenyard on Nov 17, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

i have to fight the temptation to not turn this into Boc…its not easy

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

its tough somtimes its placed on a tee for me

i like what your doing here arthur…good blog..good stuff

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks, Spade. We’re just trying to represent for the hardcore fans, making sure people don’t take Ducks fans lightly. That’s 95% of being a “non-traditional” market team these days— just keeping Balsillie off our ass!

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Nov 17, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

ok daniel..i hope murray gets a glance at this..maybe it will make him cry in his bed and beg for forgiveness…

sleek posted this for me..thought it should be re-posted here….read the description to in case the title doestn move you

Ducks blow old goats right now but....GO DUCKS!!! for shits and giggles!!

by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Nov 17, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

believe me Spade, I have been moved. And good call on Sbisa. I’ve been forgetting about him since he was pretty much just the top defensive prospect in the Pronger trade. I mean picking him in that deal is a no-brainer that every GM makes, so I attribute his acquisition to Murray’s ability to copy Burke rather than any of Murray’s actual GM talents.

by Daniel AC on Nov 17, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

is it just me, or does anyone else feel like we started to slide down hill beginning with Burke’s trade of Andy Mac to St. Louis? Granted, we had a great run in the playoffs, but I feel a majority of the moves made at the end of Burke’s tenure and the current Murray regime have been mediocre at best.

Two things I believe:
  1) I’d take Chris Kunitz over Ryan Whitney any day of the week
  2) I don’t care for Murray as a GM, but I do enjoy Murray as a crazy person. Chair throwing incident in Detroit, telling players to “get it through their thick skulls” that Carlyle isn’t going anywhere, etc.

"I'm not a lady. I'm a DUCK!" - Connie Moreau, D2: Mighty Ducks

by Sticks.Gloves.Shirt on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions  

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