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Jonas, Brother

 

ARTHUR:

Randy Carlyle spared Jonas Hiller another attempt at back-to-back starts last night against the Capitals.  Since last season, the goaltender has had trouble on short rest, sometimes struggling as soon as the puck drops.  As he gets closer and closer to solidifying his position as the team's #1 netminder, that shortcoming looms heavily on his promotion.

Daniel, if Jonas Hiller is the future of Anaheim goaltending, how important is it that he be able to handle back-to-back starts?

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DANIEL:

I think it's beyond imperative that Hiller be able to man the pipes on back to back nights. The Ducks have been struggling all year due to inconsistent offense and frequently bungling defense. I'm not trying to back out of previous arguments I've made about how our defense could have played better in front of our keepers and helped them out. But, sometimes a goalie needs to be the stabilizing force, just like the D should be there to bail him out when he's struggling. That's just the team concept. That's how you win over a long season. You have to be able to win the 5-4 games and the 2-1 games. And you need a goalie who can shoulder the responsibility of being stable on back to back nights. A goalie who can carry you through stretches and make sure your team steals its two points.

We are big advocates of magumbo, and sometimes the Hockey gods can be fickle. If changing the goalie alters the game even a little bit when you need every two points, then it might be considered a bad move. I expect my goalie to own the blue paint no matter what night it is.

Another concern I would have is that in a tight playoff race you might not want to rely on a rookie down the stretch. In the salary cap era, a team cannot afford to pay two guys market value. That means that, at some point, you have to rely on a cheap alternative. In our case that would probably be a rookie like Pogge or Pielmeier. If we are fighting for a division title or playoff positioning and the points are valuable, I don't think a rookie should be trusted with a game like that. In the end, a goalie needs to be able to handle the workload in an important stretch. There are too many back to back scenarios where it's important to win, and you need your goalie to show up every night. A number one goalie shows up every night.

 

ARTHUR:

I think it was Barry Melrose who said, when asked about the Avalanche goaltending last year, that 'you get what you pay for.'  If you hire a bunch of sub-1M goalies, you'll get a bunch of sub-1M starts.  Now, I don't know how much money Hiller is asking for right now, but if he's going to be the kind of goalie who NEEDS a backup, then he had better be ready to slide some of that money down the depth chart.

Last year, he cited his time with Davos as valuable experience in high stress level hockey.  He didn't say it was the same, but he felt it worth noting as an experience that helped him deal with the pressures of the playoffs at the highest competition level of the sport.  I wanted to say it then, and I'm gonna say it now.  THIS AIN'T DAVOS!!!  Forty-five starts will not cut it in the NHL!  

I'm gonna read off some names:  Marty Turco, Ryan Miller, Evgeny Nabokov, Roberto Luongo, Martin Brodeur-- the list is longer, but do you know what they all have in common?

 

DANIEL:

What?

 

ARTHUR:

They've all posted a 73+ start season, Luongo and Brodeur with regularity. Hiller can't ask for 5M or even 4M if he's a 45 start guy. If he needs a legitimate 25-35 start backup that can go .500+ then we're not getting a 4M goaltender in Jonas Hiller.  I know he's watched Jiggy (whose highest GP was 65) cash some easy checks on a big contract, but Allaire is gone now.  The days of quality netminders knocking on the crease door are gone, probably for the entire duration of Hiller's next contract.  We absolutely need a 65 start netminder, or we'll have to pay a real backup just to have a chance at the playoffs every year.

Now I know Hiller hasn't gotten much of a chance to acclimate to North American hockey, he only played a handful of games in the AHL and he can still learn to handle a long season.  But sometimes, he looks shot out there, almost flu-ridden and he rarely bounces back.  Yes, he's a dynamite netminder.  He steals games.  But he needs to be competent for at least 65 games a year in this league.  I think he can.  I think he's capable of dominating at the highest level of the sport, but then again, I feel the same way about Daisuke Matsuzaka.

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How did Koivu look today? Healthy? Still having some issues?

"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas

by Slyintine on Jan 28, 2010 12:19 AM PST reply actions  

i’m watching the game on replay on fox sports west. he looks good

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 28, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

if you can get to a TV, there’s still 19:00 left in the 3rd. They condense slightly, I think

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 28, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I would’ve loved to, but I live in NYC. Being a West Coast fan comes with a lot of grief.

"Just another Halo victory" - Rory Markas

by Slyintine on Jan 28, 2010 4:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, if I’d have known, I’d have referred you to Gamecenter. I don’t know if their free preview was still on, and I don’t know if you could have watched an earlier game, but it would have been worth a shot.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 28, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Most over-rated need

It is completely un-important if Hiller is able to handle back-to-back starts!

This year the Ducks have 17 back-to-back situations. If a goalie started all the games besides those, he’d have the 65 starts you mention. Give me a goalie that can shine in those 65 – and by shine I mean 40+ wins – and I’ll take my chances with whoever for the remaining games. The team in front of the goalie should be able to muster at least 5 wins. And that puts you squarely in the playoffs. With a starter who is not overworked.

Of the goalies you mentioned, only Brodeur has the most important hardware. Nabokov is overused annually, and peeters out in the playoffs. Ditto for Luongo. Miller and Turco are still searching.

I’ll pay $5M for a number one that can get me those 40+ wins in 65 starts.

There are 10 types of people in the world - those that understand binary, and those that don't.

by Jaro on Jan 28, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

This year will be the first year Hiller PLAYS more than 46 games. And 40 wins is a tough mark for any goaltender. Jiggy’s never posted 40. On my short list, I think Nabby and Miller are the only two to post 40 wins in 65 or fewer starts, and those were really good teams. A goalie who can consistently get 40 wins in 65 starts is worth a hell of a lot more than 5M. On a so-so team, you probably give that goaltender 10M. He might be the greatest of all time.

Yes, Nabokov and Turco have been overused, but they’ve proved they have an NHL caliber stamina level. I don’t think you can pick up a starter’s check with the understanding on the way in that willl NEVER be able to handle a full NHL season. But yeah, if a little rest made you a 40+ win goaltender, even on a 4th/5th seeded team, then yeah, you deserve most of the money in the till.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 28, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I feel that there are much bigger problems that Hiller needs to work on. He really needs to work on consistency. I realize that part of Hiller’s inconsistency is due to a lack of support, but I still don’t completely trust Hiller. One night he’ll play like a god and the next night, I’ll be wanting to hang him from the rafters.

by yankeeken on Jan 28, 2010 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

his worst nights are on the tail end of back to backs or generally when he gets tired, like last season. And I think Matsuzaka is the best comparison here. He’s really just not used to the big league schedule yet. I don’t see how we can lay a big contract on a guy who can only play consistently over 45 games with plenty of rest. That’s all HIller’s proven so far in his career.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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