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DANIEL:

The Ducks won a second game by James Wisniewski shootout spectacular. He is now a perfect 2 for 2 on shootouts, and he also found a way to break Anaheim's power play drought. Arthur, there are few people who have been as critical of Wiz as we have, yet his play of late has been improving . . . maybe. Has Wisniewski's play improved enough for the Ducks to start thinking about making him a part of their long term plans?

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ARTHUR:

No, it hasn't and they shouldn't consider it. The plan for this ridiculous one year contract was for him to stay healthy, and he couldn't.  On paper, he's only missed five games, but he seemed to be fighting something for most of December and was frankly about as useful as an IR player.  Maybe he has horrible luck-- I mean, we're talking about a guy who tore his ACL for the second time while training in the offseason --or maybe he doesn't have a professional athlete's body. There's no shame in either. I wouldn't agree with paying athletes millions of dollars if what they do could be accomplished with heart alone, and I would kill and maim for Mario Lemieux to have had better genetics.

As to the way he's playing, my complaints about Wisniewski were always twofold. One, he's a massive injury risk. Two, he doesn't realize he's an injury risk and he insists on risking injury on every play by trying his hand at the defensive aspects of the game, none of which he excels at playing. I don't really fault him for the turnovers and the brain cramps, because he's basically a converted forward.  

There's a saying I picked up from other defensemen: when a goalie or a forward does it, it's called 'guessing;' when a defenseman does it, it's called a mistake. Defensemen should know better, basically. But offensive defensemen present that interesting hybrid, where no matter how moronic the play, you forgive it if it results in scoring, the same way you forgive forwards who don't backcheck or play beneath their own blueline.

So, in my mind, Wisniewski's offense earns him the right to guess. Good for him. But he hasn't done enough to prove his injuries to date were flukes or that he CAN play carefully (in regards to his health) and focus on offense. Those are the things that make a three year contract impossible. And another one year try-to-stay-healthy contract is just stupid.

 

DANIEL:

While I certainly agree that he shouldn't be in our long term plans, I have to disagree that it's solely for health concerns. Whether he was actually healthy for all of them or not, he's started 50 of 55 games, and if-- IF --he doesn't miss any more, he will play 77. Again, they might not all be quality games, and he's certainly limped off the ice more than his fair share-- or just laid there as the goal happened --but when he enters negotiation, he'll say that he was available for most of the season and that he's able to play hurt and the GP stat will be in his favor as long as Bob Murray doesn't actually watch the Ducks games. Playing hurt wasn't exactly helpful, but he still played and we don't know if his agreement with Bob Murray was to actually BE healthy or just not to be so hurt that he was unavailable.

My reason for rejecting Wisniewski has less to do with his health and more to do with his unpredictability. Wiz is a loose cannon. There's no telling when he's going to pinch or when he'll be out of position chasing a big hit. The guy just doesn't make good decisions. His outstanding defensive plays usually come from him covering for his own mistakes. The reason he plays with Scott Niedermayer isn't because he deserves to be on the top pairing, it's because Niedermayer is the only one who can recover when Wisniewski does something ridiculous.

Wisniewski has a semi-impressive set of skills. His goal against Niittymaki is a clear example of his offensive abilities. I know you don't mind the mental mistakes, but for a guy who's playing to be one of the top D-men in the organization and wants a long term deal, I don't think his offensive upside makes up for his inability to keep the puck out of the net. Wisniewski is a third pairing guy who should get PP time. If he can accept that kind of contract and those kinds of minutes, then sign him.

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I know. I know. Deja vu.

Our longtime readers (do we have any of those?) will note that this is actually the second time we’ve tackled the ‘should we re-sign wisniewski question.’ The first go-round was a prompt I wrote in October. At the time, Daniel was willing to re-sign Wisniewski at a pittance 3 yr/6M contract on the strength of his physicality and playing time. I made my standard gingerbread argument.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 30, 2010 1:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’d keep Wiz over Cotton Gin

Anaheim Ducts

by brokenyard on Jan 30, 2010 2:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t keep anyone currently on the Ducks blue line.

by yankeeken on Jan 30, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know. If brookbank was willing to come in at 500-600K next season, he offers great flexibility as we try to bring in rookies into that third pairing next year.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 30, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brookbank and possibly Festerling

Should come back. I too would rather have whiz than whitney. Wouldn’t mind eminger or boynton for peanuts

by PhantomPretender on Jan 30, 2010 5:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Eminger’s on the books for next year, same salary as this year. He’s Carlyle’s boy, so at least there’s a plan for him.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 30, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brookbank and possibly Festerling

Should come back. I too would rather have whiz than whitney. Wouldn’t mind eminger or boynton for peanuts

by PhantomPretender on Jan 30, 2010 5:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Brookbank would be nice as long as he will sign for peanuts. And I stll think Festerling has potential. Still, I’d rather shoot myself in the foot than see Wiz and/or Whitney return.

by yankeeken on Jan 30, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i was most excited about brookbank’s salary going into this year. I thought it would give us the chance to bring in Mitera or Bickel, who are ~1.3M guys, but the front office decided to go with Eminger and Boynton. If he can give us a similar price next year, Brookbank still gives us that flexibility to try out a non-league minimum rookie. I mean, even Sbisa is 875K, so it’s nice to have a league minimum guy who isn’t an out and out liability.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 30, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brookbank has been impressive. But impressive from the stand point of wasn’t really expecting much. For what he gets paid, he job done. Eminger has been better since Carlyle put in back into the lineup. Hes been more physical which all the ducks need a lot more of. His problem he’s paired with Whitney and that is a mistake in itself. Wiz is just too inconsistent and I agree with everyone else that he does not deserve a long term deal. Wiz’s game hinders on being physical and stepping up on the blue line. But since he was suspended early in the season he has been reluctant to step up as much. Festerling is a shut down guy all the way but I really don’t see him being any where close to being a top pairing. Boynton… yeah not working at all. Remember too that Sbisa should be back next season and the ducks could possibly bring up one of the young 6’3ers from the minors. But with a big ? on Scotty who knows. There needs to be veteran leadership on that blue line next year and if Scotty decides to leave who’s next?

by CUnitSoldier on Jan 30, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who’s next could be Gonchar. It’s pretty clear he wants out of Pitt…

Brookbank has looked good. Whitney has not. Eminger has been playing well. Boynton has not (he’s been a healthy scratch several times this year). Wiz has been playing well, but like CUS above me said, he hasn’t been stepping up and play as physical since he got suspended for hitting Mr. Canada. If he played all year like he was playing the first month, he would be our best defenseman by FAR. It would be great to know about Scotty and Teemu before the season was over so Murray knows what he’s working with.

If Scotty goes, I’d love to see Wiz resigned and Murray go get Gonchar. Gonchar-Whit, Wiz-Eminger, Brook-Sbisa. Plus we still have Mikks and a few others in our system. I think we would have a great defensive core. I will be the first one to talk bad about Whitney because he has played awful at times this year, but his best year he’s ever had was with Gonchar (59 pts. 9 in 81 games). Gonchar also is capable of putting up 50 points and playing 25 min/game.

If Scotty says he’s staying, I say we trade Whitney before this season is over so we can sign Bobby before free agency opens, and then try to go after Gonchar anyways. Then it would be Scotty-Wiz, Gonchar-Eminger?, Brook-Sbisa?. Maybe Gonchar-Sbisa and Brook-Eminger.

by aWAKEnD on Jan 30, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks. I’ve had enough of overrated d-men from Pittsburgh. Gonchar is getting old and doesn’t have much defensive upside anymore. Even in his prime, Gonchar was always more of an offensive threat than a defensive asset.

by yankeeken on Jan 30, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t support any plan that keeps Wiz in the top 4. The guy is too much of a defensive liability. Even when he was stepping up and hitting guys, he was still giving up a lot of bad chances. They just happened more on the PK. The guy is an offensive defenseman and he needs to be on a pairing where he can do that, not be forced to be the last man back when Scotty goes off to be Scotty. That’s why I miss Beauchemin. He and Scotty just seemed to understand each other.

by Daniel AC on Jan 30, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s go for Souray, not Gonchar

by MikeStewie on Jan 31, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

they might take jiggy for him now that souray’s injured

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would never call Brookbank ‘impressive.’ I mean, he makes the safe, borderline non-NHL play. That’s valuable through a long season, but it’s hard for that kind of player to make a difference in the playoffs because they can’t create opportunities and they can’t shutdown creative opportunities. But I completely disagree with asking rookies to play that way. Players like Mikkelson and Sbisa have skill sets that they shouldnt’ have to hide just because they’re the sub 1M guy on the roster. Having a brookbank at 500K gives you the freedom to let your rookies play to their potential, instead of trying to keep their noses clean and stay out of trouble.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 30, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In a way, Brookbank kind of reminds me of Kent Huskins.

by yankeeken on Jan 30, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I always felt Kent had jets and played a little undersized, your classic offensive defenseman who never translated his game to the NHL, despite A LOT of AHL time.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 30, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Arthur on Huskins. Brookbank is definitely a different mold, far less offensive. I do think Brookbank has improved this year however, he is one of our better defenseman at actually getting shots from the point towards the net.

Down with Wiz and Whitney.

by MikeStewie on Jan 30, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

See, I never really saw Huskins as much of an offensive thread. I just saw him as a cheap, yet reliable bottom pair d-man. But maybe I overlooked his offensive upside due to the fact that he was overshadowed by Niedermayer, Pronger and Beauchemin.

Anyway, the main reason he reminds me of Huskins, is that they’re both cheap/reliable bottom pairing d-men.

by yankeeken on Jan 30, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He never was an offensive threat, but he liked to carry the puck and he couldn’t take a check very well. Brookbank doesn’t like to carry the puck, and he plays a little larger. Huskins was cheap, yeah, but he only got a shot at the depth chart because Murray drafted him back in Chicago and funneled him into the system as Assistant GM. In a world without Murray, we might have kept O’Brien. And if I remember correctly, Shane and Sheldon played on a pairing together in Cincinnati, so it would’ve been affordable gravy right now.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Before I read this, I just wrote on the HIller thread that we need to sign Shane O’Brien this off season because his UFA and will probably be cheaper than Wiz.

by Daniel AC on Jan 31, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t really mean to say that we need Shane O’Brien. The Shane O’Brien for a first round pick wasn’t bad until that pick turned into Logan MacMillan. I just meant to say that he was preferable to Huskins or any of the Murray’s boys. All of our homegrown players are preferable to Burke and Murray’s players.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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