***Anaheim Trades Giguere To Toronto For Toskala And Blake***
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 10:26 AM PST
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THE TELETYPE:
Brian Burke announced major trades with Calgary and Anaheim today. The Leafs have shipped Jason Blake and Vesa Toskala to Anaheim for longtime Ducks netminder Jean-Sebastien Giguere. The goalie has found himself surrounded by trade speculation all season, including a report of this very trade in November from Randy Youngman. The announcement yesterday of Jonas Hiller's contract extension seemed to seal Giguere's fate, as his 7M salary and 6M cap hit next year would have the Ducks spending over 10M on goaltending.
Toskala, who has underperformed in net since arriving in Toronto, is making 4M this year, but is an unrestricted free agent at season's end. Blake has 10G and 16A, and is signed into the 2011-2012 season on a 4M cap hit though his salary drops from 4.5M this year to 3M for both next year and its final year. If Anaheim lets Toskala go at the end of this season, the zero sum effect of the trade is to clear 4M from the Ducks' salary and 2M from their cap hit for next year.
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The embedded video is the live press conference. Not sure what NHL.com will put there once everything is done, but i’ll change it if I need to change it.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions
not that the press conference is still live, but it’s looping and you can’t scrub it, so i think they might eventually shut down the link.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
it seems like it's looping with a brief 'we'll be right back' break
so I’m just going to leave it up for the day.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll preface this by saying, I’m not one to be overly sentimental about trades.
I think this one is by-and-far for the best. For both the Ducks and Giguere, no question. Who knows how our “returns” will work out for the team, but overall if this means it’s easier to re-sign Bobby Ryan, fine by me.
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Really? Jason Blake? Di we really need another $4 million 20-25 goal scorer. We basically traded for Joffrey Luoul again.
by Daniel AC on Jan 31, 2010 11:01 AM PST via mobile reply actions
well, hopefully this “Lupul” will be better than the one we already have.
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In my defense I was typing furiously on iPhone.
by Daniel AC on Jan 31, 2010 11:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
oh, I wasn’t pointing out a typo – didn’t notice it until now.
I just meant that the real Lupul hasn’t done much for us! :)
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don't worry about daniel
everything’s always ‘in my defense’ with him. I’d call him defensive, but that would just prompt another ‘in my defense . . .’
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well, Blake’s already better than Lupul — he’s actually available to play.
Course, he hasn’t scored a point in 8 games, and he’s scored 2 points in 2010. So…not that much better after all?
I think, in the rumor thread, Daniel was positing that Phaneuf would shake someone lose from the D corps, some other long term 4M salary, someone like I don’t know . . . Beauchemin? =) if only our GM wasn’t a moron
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
"I knew exactly what the Leafs were doing," Murray said. "With him at $3.8 (million) and asking $4 (million) or $4.5 (million), I couldn’t get in the ballgame. I knew I had to wait until he got well under $3 (million). All along, I knew exactly what he was going to make."
-Youngman’s OC Register article
You’re right, Bob. You need to keep those 4M slots open for dead weight forwards. God forbid we spend 4M on someone who actually plays.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
woops
that link should have read Youngman’s OC Register article on Beauchemin
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Don't count on it
The guy’s still being paid for one good season he had on the Island. I don’t think Blake will find any magic he’s long since lost.
by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 31, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
Ahem, we still remember him as being a pretty good King rookie, not to mention his Ice Dogs time, but we accept that no one else watches California hockey.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather take Blake than give up a first-rounder on the deal — money spent on the ice (even if it’s overspent) is always preferable to money spent on the bench.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
Do you think the 3M salary versus 4M cap hit makes him movable? I can’t think of a franchise losing money that would take him.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Well we do not help on the blue line that is for sure. I dont know if Blake is the right answer but he is a step in the right direction.
This is Jason Blake, just a two team deal. I’d have put that in the headline, but it would have been a longer headline.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
this is a huge "wow"
i’m a little surprised that your team was willing to take toskala!
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Toskala’s the easy part. Blake presents the salary cap problem.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
well, if Blake really is dead weight, then this isn’t a vastly different cap hit savings than a buyout would be. so it’s nice to have a player for the two years of that buyout money, but I hope he actually isn’t dead weight and IS movable.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I haven’t seen him play since he left the Islanders, so I don’t know if he is dead weight or not. But based on what I have heard from others, I wouldn’t expect much from him.
I’ve always thought of him as a good player, and that’s saying something considering how much I hate ‘96-97 NoDak kids. I thought he did pretty well that first year in Toronto with the diagnosis hanging over him, and he had a pretty good year last year. But he’s on pace for a much slower season and it’s hard to gauge whether he’s shot or if it had anything to do with playing on a bad team.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Just wondering..
Does anyone know if the Ducks will raise his number up into the rafters at some point?
I haven’t heard talk of it. I don’t think they’ll consider it until he actually retires (he’s only 32). Plus, it’s hard to imagine anyone beating selanne to the rafters. The Register noted he’s the all-time winningest goalie, but he’s actually only a few GP behind Hebert, so it’s not like there’s a lot of history he’s competing with for that title
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 2:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Forget Giguere – they ought to retire Burke’s number!
Great deal for ANA imo. I’m with Earl – if you’re gonna spend the money, better to spend it overpaying for someone on the ice than to spend a lot more of it on someone who won’t even get off the bench.
I tell you what’s a lot more interesting though: phaneuf netted an oddly small return, didn’t he?
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I tend to agree with Burke himself when he says he gets too much credit for what he did in Anaheim. He never pulled off the miracle draft moves he did in Vancouver for the Sedins and he didn’t face the adversity he had with Bure there either. The guy could negotiate a contract, sure, but it’s not really fair to compare an intelligent lawyer, former NHL front office guy to someone like Bob Murray, a former player who has his job for the same reason that John Elway has a car dealership.
On Phaneuf, Jewels From The Crown has a great post on why perspective and your opinion of Phaneuf is everything on this trade.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah, Burke definitely had his flaws in Anaheim, but the team is better for his having been there, and I dig his style anyways. Plus, the original post, when I originally read it, I thought it was referring to Burke.
I don’t think Phaneuf is that fantastic, but what they got in return for him doesn’t seem like what you could pull from any of a dozen or so dipshit GM’s around the league. He’s young, he’s hyped, he plays a good Canadian brand of hockey. I’m surprised they couldn’t get more for the “next Pronger”. I dunno, I tend to always see deals with stars, and think “why couldn’t you get more from Kevin Lowe?”
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I don’t think they should, but I prefer only retiring numbers for guys who are HHOFers, or very nearly so. I don’t think giguere qualifies.
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I think Kariya’s number should be in the rafters, but they supposedly had a discussion about it before handing it to Ryan (though, unless Bryan Murray and Jack Ferreira were on conference call in that discussion, it’s stupid for people who never dealt with Kariya to make that call). I guess they made the call because the fans are still mad, but on the list of “F—- You, I Don’t Want To Play For You Any More” moves, I still think Joe Sakic takes the cake— his RFA offer sheet was 17M in the first year and the Avs were just one year removed from a championship. And he got a tearful jersey retirement this year, so you never know.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
'Thank You' from Giguere
Whicker’s interview with Giguere for The Register concludes with a ‘Thank You’ to all Anaheim fans.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 2:40 PM PST reply actions
Yeah horrible… we gave up a conn smythe winner, a stanley cup champion for practically nothing.. Yes the cap hit was bad but really we got worse? now we are stuck with a back up goalie that is a UFA next year and an aged forward that has under performed and oh yeah 4 mill hit on top of that. There is a little extra room to sign bobby but not much. We have goalies in the minors. Murray made a horrible trade and Burke once again made a trade that made his team better. Im trading myself to the KINGS where Lombardi is making his team better and who knows bobby might be a king because Murray doesnt know what he his doing
I mean, it’s not a great deal, but it’s a 4M salary dump and a 2M cap dump. Sucks to have to hand Jason Blake money for two more years, but we would have had to spend that money on the buyout. Giguere hasn’t really had the chops to compete with free agent goaltenders like Turco or Nabokov, etc. on the market so it wasn’t going to be pretty trying to unload him.
I mean, it’s a dump. The point was for us to get nothing. It’s a shame we actually got SOMETHING in the deal. If they took Giguere for a pack of Marlboro Lights with a 1M cap hit, we should have jumped.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think Giguere was at least worth full 100s not lights
by CUnitSoldier on Jan 31, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
100s? For the Power Players to smoke? I think we could counter with Menthol
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
If you insist on spouting off
such drivel, then I think you’ll find yourself right at home with the Kings.
This trade is to allow the Ducks to resign Bobby Ryan, period. I don’t see why this is so hard for you to grasp.
You’re acting like Jiggy was going to lead the Ducks to the playoffs this year. In case you haven’t been watching since 2007, he’s pretty much completely lost it. There’s this other guy on our team who’s done a pretty good job in the inteim.
This is a fantastic deal for the team. They needed to cut dead weight and they did. You had to know (at least if you have any business sense at all) that you can’t just trade someone with a horrible contract for unicorns and roses. You have to take a bad contract in return.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 31, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
if we needed to unload his contract then we trade for prospects and picks but we traded for an aged player that has underperformed. If bobby signs then great but we still lost
by CUnitSoldier on Jan 31, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
Nobody else in the entire universe thinks Jiggy was nearly as valuable as you do. It would have been great to trade him for prospects or picks, but those things have value. Jiggy did not, especially given the contract he was owed.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 31, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
as a rule
i rec any comment entitled ‘Dude’
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
damn. a blogger can’t rest today. SBN group woke me up before sunrise on this Burke presser and now this
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's that whole GP
stat. Cuz I certainly would have preferred Pielmeier, but maybe they want him to continue getting regular starts.
Totally blows about Sexton. So do you think Bobby reunites the RPG line and Blake and Beleskey fill out the 2nd line?
by PhantomPretender on Jan 31, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
it's a temp recall
probably to get toskala to anaheim for wednesday’s detroit game. short notice to get him to atlanta. we love pielmeier too much to put him through meaningless plane rides. that’s why we have Pogge
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
and just to be clear
he graduates from my prospects list. I don’t care if it’s only 22 games
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
oop i stand corrected, 28 games, so yeah, full rookie season
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
lot of speculation on whether or not Whitney would eventually play if they didn’t heal correctly. I believe Helene Elliott of the Times said he was essentially named since there was little chance Martin would be ready. I haven’t heard an official announcement from Burke though.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
Our question for tonight/tomorrow morning is about that. hold tight, it’ll be up in point/counterpoint form very soon.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
I’m editing it together now.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
If you guys have no desire to see Wisniewski make $3M next year, I’m not sure how Finger at $3.5M is a better option.
http://www.battleofcali.com/
he has his bouts with minor injuries, and we’re getting shutdown defensive work from Brookbank at league minimum, but I guess the argument for Finger would be that the Leafs paid him that because they had a mostly offensive-defensive corps at the time, which is what we have, and there is a chance that he’s easier to move than a shot forward or a defenseman whose knees are held together by bowflex resistance bands. not that i’m making that argument, but it’s there.
back to editing.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jan 31, 2010 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
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