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Fan Forum Teleconference 3 Recap

ARTHUR:

This week, the Ducks held their third Fan Forum Teleconference. For those who missed it (or who lack the patience to sit with an hour long podcast), I've put together a recap of some of the major points the fans discussed with General Manager Bob Murray and Executive Vice President Chief Operating Officer Tim Ryan.

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Ed. Note: All quotes are from Bob Murray unless noted otherwise

Contracts

On James Wisniewski:

Murray met with Wiz's agent the weekend before the Olympic break and tendered an offer the following Tuesday. Wisnieski rejected the offer, and the two sides have not discussed anything since. Murray had this to say about their respective negotiating positions:

"I think he's looking for a long term deal. We have differing opinions of where he belongs in a lineup, and what that person should make. I'm not embarrassed about the offer we made him, but I'm not going to put this team in a position where we're overpaying for somebody and he doesn't fit in that position."

It's good to hear that Bob Murray isn't buying Wisniewski's argument, here. Murph suggested that, as this is Wisniewski's last year of restricted free agency, keeping him around for one more year (either on a one year deal or through arbitration) wouldn't be out of the question, but it sounds as if there is very little interest, at least on the general manager's part, to restart discussions before the offseason.

On Sheldon Brookbank:

Brookbank also received an offer and rejected it. Murray said he was comfortable with the offer he made, and it was, again, a situation where he wasn't going to create a bad contract. I'll agree with Murray here. Ideally, Anaheim can get to a point where it doesn't need Brookbank, where it isn't sending out five offensive defensemen every night. At that point, giving Brookbank seven figures would be a bad contract. However, if Murray doesn't rebuild with some quality physical defensemen in the offseason, he will sorely miss a guy that plays smart and does what he's told.

On Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne and Scott Niedermayer:

Murph says that no serious talks have taken place, and he doesn't plan to talk to them until after the season, maybe a month after the end of the year.

On Bobby Ryan:

Murray expressed no real urgency here. He emphasized, for about the millionth time, that Hiller was re-signed because he was an unrestricted free agent and that Bobby is a restricted free agent. On that point, Murray sounds almost eager to have someone else negotiate this contract for him:

"We're in good financial shape. There won't be anywhere where a team feels like they can do what they did with Dustin Penner-- walk in here and floor us with the thing and have us make tough decisions."

I have to disagree with Bob's approach here, as it sounds like he's not all that interested in getting back to the table with Bobby Ryan until shortly before Ryan can entertain offers. Murray may not be the contract magician that Burke was, but his willingness to have someone else write the thing is disconcerting.

The AHL Situation

Resolution in the works:

For those worried about the Ducks' minor league situation, Murray intimated that David McNab was dealing with it forthwith, getting on a plane to negotiate a deal as the teleconference was going on. Where did that plane land?

"The AHL is helping us to be-- [to] get our first choice as to where we want to go."

There are a few options. SB Nation has been covering the impending shakeup in the AHL after a great recap by Derek Zona, and I'm not exactly sure which organization qualifies as the Ducks' 'first choice.' However, after a year of sending key prospects to the ECHL, it's good to know the Ducks won't be settling.

On the prospect of having prospects closer to home:

Murray addressed the idea of having a next-door minor league franchise, and emphasized that it was something that had to be done as a group with other west coat GM's. They would all have to commit to creating their own division, or even their own league, for it to be feasible.

"It wouldn't work if we took a team and brought it out to San Diego. If no one else was out there, it just wouldn't work. So, we need partners. We are talking about it."

Murph said he would be meeting with other Western GM's for a beer at the next General Managers meeting, and it was a topic for discussion on the table. But he also noted that it was something that Brian Burke had wanted to get done in his time in the Anaheim chair. It's a long process.

Mistakes In Constructing This Year's Blueline

Soft corps defense:

I've been rather critical of Murray's vision of the defensive corps this year, and it's good to hear that the GM is quite critical of himself:

"I think we used a little different strategy this year. We saw Pittsburgh/Detroit win Stanley Cups with a little more offense. And we felt that the game, maybe, had gone a little bit more-- because of the rule changes --a little more on the offensive, forward-- scoring more goals and stuff. And we may have taken a step backwards in that respect. I definitely agree with the fact that we are not physical enough on defense. That being said, it's gotta be corrected. It's not-- it's not gonna be easy. We may have to give to do that at some point in the near future. Again, the defense has been a great concern of mine. And i think we thought some people would do a little more of that [as far as being physical], and it hasn't happened."

The last line seems like a dig at Wisniewski. I don't think anyone expected game-changing physicality out of Ryan Whitney, and we're probably getting a little more than expected from Eminger. If it is a dig at Wisniewski, I have to disagree. In asking him to stay healthy this season, the primary request is that he put away childish things in blocking shots and getting overly physical. His body clearly can't take it, and most smallish offensive defensemen in the NHL don't throw their bodies around haphazardly anyways. If anything, Wiz should be working on his smarts, his angles, his strength along the boards. No one can step up and be the hitter when Murph didn't hire any, though based on the blueline goals scored this year, he didn't necessarily hire offensive guys either.

Sidelined Players

On Lupul:

"I don't know if we'll see him before the playoffs this year"

According to Lupul's blog, the blood infection cleared out of his system before the Olympic break, he would be focusing on strength training during the break and would have a clear idea of his schedule for return after the break. Murray's comment would imply that Lupul will need another entire month.

Murph was very sympathetic in discussing Joffrey, pointing out that this operation was something considered routine in the business and it was very unfortunate for him to get a blood infection, which essentially laid him up and reversed his conditioning.

On Parros:

"We're not sending him out there to fight one-handed anymore"

Parros is apparently getting bumped from the lineup to give his right-hand time to get to 100%. Big George has been gunning it southpaw this season, and the coaching staff and front office thought that was unfair to him, especially with extra bodies in the lineup. Murray implied that once he can start throwing that right cross without fear of re-opening the old wounds, he'll see his regular time again.

Deadline Deals

How it all came together:

Surprisingly, it was Calgary's interest in Toskala that got the ball rolling. It was an interest that Murray was confident he could pique after acquiring the netminder. After that, it became easier to deal Pogge, who Murray says was not working out well with goaltending coach Pete Peeters or the other coaches. Moving Pogge allowed him to get Ward without giving up a 2nd Round pick, and the money freed by moving Toskala allowed him to look at the bigger Visnovsky deal. The only real hole created in moving Toskala was finding a seasoned third goaltender, which they got in Joey MacDonald.


Tim Ryan On Non-Televised Games

Tim Ryan fielded a couple if important television questions. First, he noted he was crossing his fingers on KDOCHD for next season. Second, he reassured (or disappointed?) Ducks fans by saying that they plan to have around the same number of games air next season, and it's a decision making process they will continue to work on, not a money issue.

"I think Center Ice has done a good job [of airing the non-televised games, but] we're just gonna continue try to get as many games on the air as possible. And we've done some experiments with games on the Internet and we're gonna probably continue that next year as well" - Tim Ryan

So, no hope in getting every game to television, but there's an endorsement for Center Ice and the likelihood of Internet broadcast there.

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Great stuff. Thanks for the recap.
And i think we thought some people would do a little more of that [as far as being physical], and it hasn’t happened.

I think this IS a dig at Ryan “Ticklemonster” Whitney. He was the only guy on the blue line (other than maybe Eminger) with the size to deal with a big power forward like Rick Nash. You’re right though to say that it should not be Wiz’s job. He frustrates me a lot at times, but I don’t think it’s fair to expect him to be a physical defender with the big boys.

“It wouldn’t work if we took a team and brought it out to San Diego. If no one else was out there, it just wouldn’t work. So, we need partners. We are talking about it.”

How the F do Seattle and Portland have teams that play in the WHL (with the likes of the mighty Spokane Chiefs, Tri-City Americans and the Kamloops Blazers)?? The Thunderbirds and Winterhawks have been around for a long, long time, but there are only about a dozen people in each city who would notice if the rosters were completely different tomorrow and full of AHL players. There have to be enough west coast cities that could support an AHL level hockey team that they could put together a competitive division, right? It just seems like such a pain in the ass now, but I know it will be a while before they fix the Ducks’ AHL situation to everyone’s satisfaction.

"Abtholoootleee"

by Floyd Gondoli on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM PST reply actions  

On the Whitney thing, Murray’s been pretty vocal that his expectation of Whitney was to be a power play replacement for Pronger, which didn’t work out either. I don’t know if he could realistically expect Whitney to be physical this year after seeing him play in the lineup last year. This whole blueline is pretty soft-corps (haha, had to again, maybe Earl will pop by and laugh at it) though, so he could’ve been talking about anyone. At the same time, it’s not a proper dig at ANY of our defenseman, not from a GM who claims to have scouted his acquisitions ahead of time.

On the West Coast thing, I think that’s a big reason he brought up setting up a separate league as an aside. You actually have to talk the AHL, as a governing body, into things. I’m sure there are some politics involved there. It would probably be easier for Murray to round up some GM’s and try to do it on their own. That’s also why I’ve been very vocal about west coast teams investing in Pac-10 club hockey. If they can set up an infrastructure, it makes it easier for third parties to come in and set up teams. And then in the WHL cities you mentioned, the AHL would be supported by college fans and junior hockey fans.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 5, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

When I was at UW, I was invited to play on the club ice hockey team (mostly because I was 6’2" and about 200lbs. I weigh more than that now). If you had seen me skate, though, you would laugh. I’m terrible.
Pac-10 hockey was kind of a joke when I was in school, and I wish that it wasn’t the case. Has there ever been a push to make anything more of those teams, or will it always be a little brother to big name sports like crew, tennis and cross-country?

"Abtholoootleee"

by Floyd Gondoli on Mar 5, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

it’s club hockey; club hockey will always be a joke. generally, though, hockey is pay-to-play on the west coast, which isn’t so bad since hockey fans are by and large affluent, but it creates a barrier in growing the game, as you never stop paying to play the game. It’s the opposite of soccer in investment cost.

I went to Berkeley, and my experience of their team is that it was always them promoting themselves. It can’t be that way, and it can’t be a situation where you expect the Stanford and USC boosters to put the money in place ahead of time. There needs to be a situation where the professional teams put scholarships or some other form of money into place, and use the universities to attract quality players. That’s what’s kept Ivy League hockey alive all these years. And I firmly believe Pac-10 schools offer world class education.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 5, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s what’s kept Ivy League hockey alive all these years

‘That’ being quality education attracting players, not pro team investment.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 5, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I still have to shrug at the B-Ry urgency — just because they’re not talking today doesn’t mean it’s not a top priority. I don’t know that the price B-Ry will make next year will be much different than what the market might offer, even if were locked up today.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Mar 5, 2010 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

definitely a big variable though. I’m not saying he’ll get a Rangers to Joe Sakic type of offer, but there’s something to be said for the Kevin Lowes of the world picking off snoozing GM’s with a Vanek play. Plus, you never know where the Bruins are with their free agents. If they can’t get two or three guys re-signed, Ryan starts to look awful tasty. I just think there’s something to be said for NOT going on the defensive in re-signing Ryan.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 5, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, but I don’t know what the answer is right now — you can’t just force the kid to sign, and I don’t know if the ideal thing to do is keep raising the price until he wants to.

There’s a time for this to happen and a time for this to get possibly blown, but I don’t think it’s yet.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Mar 5, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know if I’m worried so much about it getting blown based on timing as much as Murray’s predetermined response. It’s like with Beauchemin. He told himself he wouldn’t make an offer over 3M, so he let him hit the market and if an offer came in over 3M, he wouldn’t get in the mix. But he didn’t even bother to make the 2.99M offer to Beauch before free agency. I understand trying to be a straight shooter and not wanting to insult a guy, but Beauchemin was pretty vocal about his disappointment in not getting an offer. I know a lot of athletes will say that kind of thing after the fact, but maybe he could’ve been had at 2.99M on a backloaded deal or with some other incentive. I just don’t understand how he can call himself a negotiator if he knows what he’s going to do ahead of time.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 5, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

there’s an endorsement for Center Ice

You just said that to be a dick, haha. Right before that he said something like “And I’m not endorsing Center Ice, but…”

"You know? I might not be wealthy or cool or even intelligent," I said to myself. Then I felt like there was more to that sentence, but I guess there wasn’t.

by brokenyard on Mar 5, 2010 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

yeah, he said he wasn’t endorsing Center Ice, but at the same time, he pointed out he’s making the decision not to broadcast certain games and to broadcast East Coast games that most Ducks fans won’t see in their place. So, I think he kind of was recommending you use Center Ice if you want to see the full 82 in the near future. At least giving a reason why Ducks fans weren’t technically assed out. I did like the subtle dig noting that Kings fans got something like three or four fewer televised games.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Mar 5, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, it’s not fully 82, not yet. Somehow games are still being played that neither side has decided to televise — hopefully that can be better coordinated going forward.

http://www.battleofcali.com/

by Earl Sleek on Mar 5, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

From Lupul’s twitter:

I will have a good idea Monday when I see the dr who performed my surgery. Unfortunetly he has the final say on this one..

"You know? I might not be wealthy or cool or even intelligent," I said to myself. Then I felt like there was more to that sentence, but I guess there wasn’t.

by brokenyard on Mar 5, 2010 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

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