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Bobby Goes Back to the Future

DANIEL:

Eric Stephens of the OC Register just got a very long and fairly complete interview with Bobby Ryan. The primary topic of conversation was, of course, contract negotiations. Stephens starts off with this beautiful quotation from Bobby when he asked Bobby about what he's heard regarding the contract negotiations.

I haven't heard a single peep

Don't worry, it gets better after the jump

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First, for those of you wondering, when I was reading Stephens' interview today I was at the Prospects Camp with Arthur at Anaheim Ice. He opined how eerily similar this situation is to one that happened with another high scoring RFA in Anaheim's past, Paul Kariya. For a more complete history, please read Arthur's post on Paul Kariya.

I don't want to bore you with too many quotations about what Bobby says. I'm sure all of you can read it for yourself. I think what fans need to be wary of is the back and forth that Bobby does in the interview. It's a lot of "I'm not saying...I"m just saying." For example, when asked about his salary demands compared to the amounts being paid out to Getzlaf and Perry, Bobby has this to say:

Not even close. I completely understand that nobody makes more than Getzlaf and Perry.

Sounds sensible, until he says this:

I also feel like in the past couple of years, I played in a position where I can be mentioned among them.

For those of you playing the home game, this means that Bobby is not even close to asking for the same amount of money as Getzlaf and Perry, but feels he should be discussed with them in either value to the team, or monetary value. I'm not really concerned with the contradiction. I think anyone who follows enough sports recognizes this free agent tactic instantly. Bobby needs to make sure fans don't see him as a greedy holdout. You know, like that Kariya guy. Moreover, he also wants to impress upon us his own value. What this means to me though, is that contract negotiations are literally going nowhere. He clearly thinks that Murray is undervaluing him, thus he reminds everyone that he's probably as important to the team as Getzlaf and Perry. If you want arguments as to why he might not be, check out my original post on what the Ducks should offer BRy. I mentioned here, and Arthur told it to me again today, that Ryan's primary concern is making it to UFA. This would increase his bargaining power on the next contract, thereby increasing the money he takes home. If this is the major hold up, chances are it's going to stay that way. Depending on how things go, the restricted status would be Murray's best bargaining chip. Given how poorly he handled Wisniewski last offseason, Bob doesn't strike me as the best contract negotiatior. If that's the case, he'll need all the help he can get with Bobby's next contract. Translation: Bobby gets 4 years over Barstool Bob's cold dead body.

Just to spread the threat, Bobby admits that he might have to look at offer sheets if things don't get going. Not to worry though, that's only IF he can't get a good contract here, which is his priority. He also, confesses he'd be "surprised" to be moved before July 1st. However, says nothing about being moved after July 1st. It's possible that he wasn't asked. But, what else is a player in his situation supposed to say. This is a delicate procedure in Anaheim. If Bobby paid any attention to what happened the first time, he has to know that this town can turn on its stars in these situations. I'm sure he doesn't want to be Kariya 2.0. Still, my impression from this interview is that these sides aren't very close. Anaheim fans might have to start entertaining the idea of life without Bobby Ryan. I've said before, that Ryan is our best chip in a trade. I still think that. I will say this though, Bobby knows this can take a while; HE brought up how long Perry waited to sign his deal. I think Bobby will wait until July 1st before he gives up the negotiation ghost. No matter what, Bobby's fate will be decided the first week of July, whether he signs or gets traded.

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Given that my wife and I

just decided to partially name our currently gestating son after him, I clearly hope he stays.

We’ll see what happens but its worth noting that the media often plays a significant role in how these things are perceived and how they play out. As a Padre fan, I went through this 2 years ago with Jake Peavy where one article in the newspaper kicked off a firestorm. It will be interesting to see what happens.

by PhantomPretender on Jun 19, 2010 5:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

There is plenty of time for a name change. Lets just hope it does not come to that.

by Newport Rebel on Jun 19, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol lets hope not

We’ve already told everyone he’s gonna be named Trevor Ryan.

by PhantomPretender on Jun 19, 2010 6:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It’s funny you chose the part of his name that is not his real name, though I guess naming him Bobby would be difficult to separate from you as a namesake

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 20, 2010 1:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

And Stevenson is a horrible middle name.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 20, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It totally is

We talked about it and we were like, “Nah, let’s go with Ryan”

We were originally gonna name him after a shortstop but he’s had sort of a mental breakdown and we’ve become ridiculous hockey fans since then.

by PhantomPretender on Jun 20, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

UFA

AND the CBA. GM’s could have more rfa leverage after Bobby serves 3 yrs. But wiz called murph’s bluff last year. That could easily happen here

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 19, 2010 6:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Who wants to post the first Bobby Ryan trade?

by Daniel AC on Jun 19, 2010 9:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

This is so fucking stupid. Or maybe I’m just so fucking impatient.

There's nothing to see here. And nothing gazes back at me.

by Natesaduck on Jun 20, 2010 2:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Comparing it DIRECTLY to the Paul Kariya situation, everyone assumed they were haggling over money, since Paul was on a smaller contract than he wanted and despite the fact that Ferreira said Disney would match ANY offer sheet. Turns out, the entire time they were arguing about term. If this is really deja vu, then that could be the sticking point again, despite the fact that Bobby mentioned salaries. But if it really is about money, then I have to wonder why Murray would spend the entire end of the season talking about how there was plenty of money for Ryan and no team was going to offer sheet them into a tough spot.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 20, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

BR for Prongs

Let’s bring him back! Niedermayer will probably retire and even if he doesn’t @ $4.9M or whatever Pronger is a steal and I’m guessing that would be what BR wants anyways. Think having Prongs back would convince Teemu Ducks are for reals?

BR + Eminger + prospect or pick
for
Prongs + Leino

There…

by CoachZ on Jun 20, 2010 7:21 AM PDT reply actions  

tee-hee

There's nothing to see here. And nothing gazes back at me.

by Natesaduck on Jun 20, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be a hater, but I don’t think Philly is interested in parting ways with Pronger. Especially after they picked up Hamhuis. I mean, Hamhuis, Pronger, Carle, Timmonen, Coburn. That D looks deadly.

by Daniel AC on Jun 20, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, they only have Hamhuis’ rights up to Jul 1 so far. If they actually signed him though, I think they might be willing to give up Pronger. If Hamhuis is signed, (and Coburn needs a new contract) they’d be looking at spending more money on D than even the awful Flames. That’s not the best business model when you have such other needs like goaltending and forwards who don’t disappear (and Leino is no sure thing yet). Pronger’s contract is guaranteed even if he retires, because it takes effect after he’s 35. It’s not an albatross yet, but it potentially could be, especially for a cap ceiling team like Philly. Anaheim doesn’t care if the cap hit is guaranteed and he retires – they weren’t going to spend to the cap anyways, so that’s imaginary money to them. If they had Hamhuis to help replace those minutes, I think they’d be at least open to dealing Pronger, though not likely actively pursuing it.

Of course, the original trade proposal is moot anyways. You don’t give up a prospect along with Bobby Ryan, if you’re trading him. Pronger is not the ideal return in a trade for a young star – he’s too old. Leino might as well be classified as a prospect – he had a hot streak in the playoffs, but you gotta remember that an injury-ravaged Wings team had to shitcan him because he wasn’t doing anything no matter where he was playing or how many minutes. Most likely Leino is closer to his regular season than his playoffs, making him an acceptable part of a Bobby Ryan deal, but you would certainly expect more in return than that.

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by IAmJoe on Jun 20, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much what IAmJoe said. They are getting kinda backend heavy for whatever reason…not sure if they have some plans to trade some of those other dmen or what…sure would be nice to have a Prongeresque type person again…

by CoachZ on Jun 21, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I almost hope Murray has a trade in place. Perry was probably the only one to go to the press about waiting on his next contract on Burke. Murray’s already had Beauchemin, Wisniewski, and Ryan go to the press with stories about non negotiation and no offers. I hope his reputation is nothing like that amongst the players.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 20, 2010 7:50 AM PDT reply actions  

For a second I thought Subban and Montreal’s first rounder would be good. Then I remembered they’re picking 27. If it’s a post draft trade, the possibilities get wild.

This negotiation thing is starting to terrify me. If Murray can’t get this negotiation thing handled, we’ll be the Page Ducks before you know it. I feel like every time Murray does something positive he immediately follows it with a negative of equal or greater value.

by Daniel AC on Jun 20, 2010 2:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I feel the same way. I’m just hoping this time he breaks that mold and signs Bobby to a good contract soon. One can only hope

There's nothing to see here. And nothing gazes back at me.

by Natesaduck on Jun 20, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

This whole situation makes me nauseous.

I wish the media here was more like Toronto or Montreal. They would take this interview and blow it up into the biggest thing since Sidney moving out of Mario’s house. They’d force the Ducks to respond. While I think Chip and Brookbank are solid members of the team, they’re not the updates that I want.

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by Jen Neale on Jun 20, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions  

we should hang bob if he trades bobby for something bad

by Albert K on Jun 20, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Anaheim gives:
Bobby Ryan
1st Round Pick

Toronto gives:
Ham Sandwich

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by brokenyard on Jun 21, 2010 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that trade and I thought it was real for a second. I mean, we all know Bob loves Ham Sandwich.

by Daniel AC on Jun 21, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Irish. He probably prefers corned beef. I still think it should be a pack of Marlboro Lights.

by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 21, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d trade him for a rueben from cafe r & d. If you never have had it you are missing out. Epic sandwich.

by Newport Rebel on Jun 21, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it can’t beat pastrami from Langer’s. I’m not interested.

by Daniel AC on Jun 21, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh it can. Its $18 and worth every penny.

by Newport Rebel on Jun 21, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

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