***Souray on Waivers***
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM PDT
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TSN is reporting that the Edmonton Oilers have placed Sheldon Souray on waivers. The Ducks were rumored to be one of many teams showing interest in a trade for the 33 year old defenseman, who missed much of 2009-10 with a concussion before being sidelined with a broken hand. Souray has two years remaining on his contract at a 5.4M cap hit, but only 4.5M in salary each year. The blueliner also named Anaheim as one of six teams to which he would accept a trade and waive his no movement clause last season. California, in particular, was a target for Souray, as it would allow him to be closer to his family.
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From that TFP list of teams rumored to be interested in a trade, I believe the Stars have waiver position on the Ducks. My guess is Souray still gets bought out, but if someone wants to claim him now, the Ducks are second in line.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions
I can’t access Twitter right now, but Pierre LeBrun is saying the OIlers have NO interest in re-entry waivers, so it looks like they want one of the teams interested to pick Souray up right now.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
WANT
This would make me feel a little better about missing out on some free agents (even though I never really expected them to come here).
"Abtholoootleee"
(even though I never really expected them to come here).
haha. isn’t that the anaheim story? we’re like the geek at the frat party. Sure, no one wants to go home with us, but you gotta try. One-hundred percent of the shots you don’t take don’t go in. heh heh. If the hand x-rays are copacetic, I have to think one of the teams that was in trade talks wants him.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Morrison might be a cheaper upgrade without the cap hit. No matter what, we need to move some money out of the forward group to make something like this work with the internal budget.
that’s a monster shot on the power play. The guy has the same offensive upside he had a few years ago, and he’s still big enough to push guys around in theory. Generally, you could argue he’s more of a liability defensively, but you never know and 4.5M for two years isn’t TOO much to roll the dice.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Best case scenario its one of those things where being hurt for so long turns out to be a blessing. Maybe he’s well rested. But if I’m choosing between wisniewski gingerbread and souray gingerbread, I’m at least interested in the upside of souray.
by Daniel AC on Jul 2, 2010 12:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wisniewski is a Gingerbread Man, Souray is a Gingerbread House. Enough said.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
From a pirated network in the streets of Venice
This would help the Ducks. Let’s hope that the Stars don’t grab him before we can.
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by Bleys on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Souray DUCKS PULL THE TRIGGER
Let’s take the chance! Claim him now!
they need defense and this is a lot of what’s left if you don’t want to take a risk on another guy who was injured in Mitchell or call Burkie.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a lot of the "no interest in Souray" talk was posturing on the part of the Ducks at the trade deadline
That and a general distaste of the presumed asking price from the Oilers. The fact that we got Lubo from them for the Ticklemonster and a 6th rounder leads me to believe that the Oilers wanted something for Souray that the Ducks didn’t like (especially when he could possibly be had in July).
"Abtholoootleee"
by Floyd Gondoli on Jul 2, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
How good is Souray though? From what I know (basically: that he exists) that seems expensive.
And I hope you find it through this endless wandering.
he’s basically a shot and size. His shot is worth a few million by itself. Very Al McInnis. Not the greatest one-on-one defender or a vicious checker, but he can push a guy around in front of the net. If you consider Wisniewski could see 4M+ at arbitration, 4.5M is pretty good to add a cannon top shot on the power play who can eat Top 4 minutes. There are better options for adding defensive defense, but I’m not sure what’s really left out there for offensive defense, not unless we’re calling about Kaberle.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He's big Wiz.
With all the benefits and detractions implied therein. He’s bigger and stronger, but just as fragile. He also seems to have a good head on his shoulders.
He had a bad year last year on a crappy team and he was hurt.
"Abtholoootleee"
by Floyd Gondoli on Jul 2, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Wiz, but replace ‘sneaky telegraphed wrist shot from the point’ with ‘blow the shingles off the roof slapshot from his own zone.’ That’s the difference between an AHLer and an NHLer to me, but yeah, generally, not too much of an improvement on Wiz defensively. HUGE improvement offensively.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one pissed that we didn’t get Kubina?
There's nothing to see here. And nothing gazes back at me.
I think you can put pretty much any defenseman’s name in there and find support at this point.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 2, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, at this point I only see the defense being A LOT worse than last year.
There's nothing to see here. And nothing gazes back at me.
Yeah, but something’s gotta give. Bieksa is on the block, and the Ducks have the best trading chip out there right now in Bobby Ryan. Pittsburgh, Philly, Montreal, NJ, and a ton of other teams would be interested in him.
I did think that Kubina was the best of the rest, and hoped the Ducks could lure him west with a 4 year 16 million offer. Still, Souray wouldn’t be a bad pick up. You might have some pairings that look like this though
Souray/Lydman
Lubo/Sbisa
Brookbank/Eminger, Festerling, Mikkelson, Clark, Mitera or whoever.
Not great, but potentially doable.
Even though he is on waivers right now, could the Ducks still trade for him at this point? I’m thinking if they can and the Oilers want to get rid of him so bad, maybe they’ll take something back… And by something, I mean maybe Blake, or even a contract like Eminger… Blake would be nice because we wouldn’t have his 4m over our heads, though he is still decent enough. Eminger would be nice because… well shit… he’s Eminger… Need I say any more? I’m just thinking if we can ship some salary back for taking Souray off their hands, it might work out for both teams.
how does the waiver process work? is it the first team to call? I personally don’t want Souray because other people around the league say his shot is worth a couple million but not his defensive ability. Like Jen said he’s a gingerbread house. I’d rather get Bieska a good young d-man but trading Bobby to a Western conference opponent bothers me. I’d give Vancouver a 2nd, 3rd, Justin Schultz, and Brett Festerling for Kevin Bieska. Or Lupul, Schultz, and a 2nd or 3rd… hopefully Murray sheds some of our D-prospects for some help now because ur D-cupboard is pretty stacked.
The pairings should be
Fowler-Bieska
Lubo-Toni
Mikkelson-Sbisa-Brookbank
PS. Fuck Eminger put him on waivers or bury his 1 million in the minors
Fowler won’t, or at least shouldn’t, start for us this year. Yes, in two years the Ducks will have a top 4 of Fowler, Sbisa, Gardiner, and probably Clark. It’ll be one of the best top 4’s in the league if we don’t mess up the signings. But, playing him next year could be awful. Some D can do it, others can’t. We have to see what we have in training camp and then make a decision. Deciding to throw him into the fire could completely ruin him as a player. The Ducks need to make a plan that doesn’t involve Fowler playing this year and instead let him be a pleasant surprise. They’re already calling him Scott Niedermayer; do you really want to put EXTRA pressure on the kid?
Also, I think you’re overpaying for Bieksa. I’d rather pull off Arhur’s idea of trading Blake for Souray that trying to make one of those deals go through. Bieksa is older and smaller than O’Brien. It wouldn’t be a bad pickup, but there are still some better moves out there. Signing Pothier or Morrison. Mitchell is free. We shouldn’t overpay in a trade for Bieksa. He can play top 4 minutes, but you’re a first rounder away from making a Chris Pronger level deal, and Bieksa isn’t THAT good.
to win a stanley cup you need at least one elite d-man. we have only one in Lubo right now since Fowler, Sbisa, and Gardiner aren’t ready yet. You might not even consider Lubo an elite d-man because he is so one-dimensional. a pp qb with fantastic skating ability and the ability to stretch a defense. Our D is probably one of the worst in the NHL right now and Pothier and Morrison are not gonna make a huge impact. We need an elite d-man and Bieska is pretty good even though he’s no Pronger or Scotty. We need another hard-hitting guy like Sutton and the ESPN rumor central is reporting we are interested in him. I don’t know how credible ESPN’s reporting is but if it is good than that is good news for us. Add Bieska and that’s a much better defense. Murray made a mistake not trying to sign Martin or Volchenkov. But what do I know? How am I supposed to know what goes on in the back-rooms of the NHL. Maybe Murray talked to them but what if he’s not very popular in the league or maybe he isn’t a good GM. Who cares? The point is this D in its current state is unacceptable even with Souray and his 4.5 million dollar contract. And if Fowler looks good in camp then why not play him if we can help us. The kid was supposed to go 4th to the Jackets so he must be something special even if he did slide to 12.
the pairings should be
Fowler/Bieksa
From that I inferred that you wanted the Ducks to play him whether he is ready or not. That’s not a decision that should be made until after camp. The Ducks shouldn’t PLAN on playing Fowler, they should plan on him being in Junior or the AHL next year and then being pleasantly surprised if he can play well enough to take a spot on the bottom pairing. I know where Fowler was projected, but guess what, Bobby was projected pretty high in his draft and he wasn’t NHL ready for two years. There’s no telling what this kid will look like playing with men. If the Ducks contend for the Cup next year, then they’ll be lucky. The organization just isn’t in the position to make crazy deals. Morrison or Pothier would be a decent band-aid while our young talent develops. There are no superstars out there on D, to be had. The Ducks need to make serviceable moves and wait to see what shakes free. Overpaying for Bieksa will not help us next year. It will only deplete our coffers when a better trade reveals itself further on. You can always move a good contract, recouping wasted draft picks is another story.
I have to disagree with you some. I think you’re looking too much into the here and now, and not the next couple of years. Would Martin or Volchenkov or any other on of the handful or highly sought after defensemen had been good on our team? Absolutely. However, what we’re not looking at is for how long we’d have them. I don’t want these guys for 5+ years like they signed. We have plenty of talent coming up that we won’t need them in a year or two. They would have hampered us in getting our young guys playing time down the line. As it stands right now, we’ll have Visnovsky and Lydman for three years. That’s more than enough. By then, I think we’ll have enough of our prospects fully developed and playing our top 4. We don’t need more guys up there bogging down the system. I for one am glad we didn’t sign anyone for a long ass time. That would have sucked in a couple of years. Our defense is questionable right now, but in the long run I think we’re in a better position. If we can pick up Souray, it wouldn’t be too bad. He’s on for two years. I think it’ll take Gardiner and Fowler one year if we’re lucky, most likely 2 years to be ready for big minutes on the Ducks (though I think Sbisa is a lock for next year barring a big problem). The contracts will expire and we’ll see a changing of the guard. Just my two pennies.
I forgot about Sbisa in that list of top defenders. We’ll have great D in two years. The reason I bring up Morrison or Pothier is that I think they can be had for the type of term you’re talking about. Shaone Morrison for 3-4 years at 3-4 million per would be a pretty good pick up right now. He’d be able to help us compete now, and in 2-3 years when all the youth is ready, he’d have a very movable contract.
TSN reports Souray clears waivers. Probably a good thing. I don’t know if the Ducks can take that cap hit without moving a little bit of money. The Jason Blake is starting to look like a real albatross. I was digging through the capgeek charts, and Tampa Bay desperately needs forwards, but doesn’t have a lot of movable defensemen. Pens might be willing to take a shot, but we’d have to take some money back, and they too are pretty set with their D. I’ll do some more checking today and see if I can search out a potential deal that seems like it could work. So far Blake for Souray sounds good, but I don’t know if the Oilers will want a piece of that as they delve deeper into full rebuild mode.
I wouldn’t be too fast to write Lupul off. When he was healthy last year, he was good. 10 goals, 4 assists in 23 games. Not too bad. That’s a 30 goal scorer. While he’s no good to us on the bench, someone on here posted that during Select-A-Seat, Bob Murray said that Lupul was going to start skating soon (I think at the conditioning camp that starts next week for the prospects). In my opinion, that is excellent news. This could mean the infection in his back is finally dealt with and has been put behind him. If this is the case, he could improve our forwards even more so. I think he is more valuable (when healthy) than Blake by a long shot. He’s not as responsible in his own end as Blake in my opinion, but his better offensive ability far outweighs that in my opinion. I’d be thrilled if we got Lupul back healthy and were able to get rid of Blake. Easier said than done, but that’s where I see it.
Morrison is a good idea, Sutton too, Lupul is a disaster….people are excited about seeing him WALKING, really? walking, not skating, not working out, not looking good, WALKING. Tragic.
Blake is a known entity, he and Blake played some of our best minutes last year, old yes, hustle yes, he works for his money, not gliding around staring at the medal he got in Vancouver waiting for the outpass….
I thought of Morrison too.
not sure if he can look top 4 minutes though. Souray on the otherhand has in Montreal.
but as floyd noted earlier:
He’s big Wiz.
With all the benefits and detractions implied therein.
That said, I like his game just not certain he can last a full season as our work horse unless our team defense as a whole can step-up.
Imagine
a shutdown line of
Sheldon Brookbank and Sheldon Souray
or we need skating on one side to deal with a speedy winger…
Toni Lydman and Sheldon Souray
that’s an upgrade from Wiz and Eminger.
hey cal. just a quick note. Try not to super comment i.e. a cluster of comments within a couple of minutes. There’s no edit button, so we understand having to add something, but long strings of short comments dominate the board more than one block comment.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 4, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
and another thing
I seen lubo play for the kings for a few years and I’m not convinced he’s a great defenseman.
Admittedly, his offensive game is pretty dope, his skating is way above average, but his lack of size, physicality and turnover can make him ineffective against elite scoring forwards in the defensive zone. That said he seems a little more mature now then when he was a king so maybe he can tighten that up.
Note, Last season Carlyle consistently used him as a 4-5 defensemen and as the pp quarterback.
We still need a Sutton, Morrison, Aaron Ward type…..Souray has the shot, but when you think to yourself, (as their second scoring line takes the ice) who is coming out next shift? You may not want Souray….he is a third pair and PP point cannon..we have one in Lubo, unless Souray can show he is healthy and can play physical D in the crease, now that he is close to home….he makes too much $$ not to do those things.
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