Ryan Prefers Deal With Ducks Over Offer Sheet
Craig Custance gets a quick word with Bobby Ryan's agent, Mark Guy, and hears they would prefer not to go the offer sheet route, though Murray seems perfectly comfortable with having someone else negotiate this for him.
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Arthur from Anaheim Calling
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Ya I just read this too. I really hope Murray gets off his ass and tries to negotiate a little more
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I still think Bob Murray is winning the press war. I haven’t seen any evidence of Ryan budging on anything. It’s called negotiating for a reason. You have to give something to get something. In the case of sports contracts, it’s either years or money. You can’t get both, unless you’re an absolute superstar like Ovechkin or Crosby.
Indeed. Murray’s offers were more than fair, but I don’t like that he just gave up and said ‘we are done for a while’ (or something to that extent). Hopefully they can re-engage and figure out a deal before the season begins
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Murray got handled last summer when it came to contract negotiations. He let Beauchemin walk for nothing, then over-payed Wiz, Eminger, and Boynton. Koivu wasn’t a bad deal, but how much of that was him and how much was Selanne. Murray needs to stand his ground on this one. The issue for me is that if Bpbby is insisting on 5 a year and won’t even consider a 4.75, then he’s being a little unreasonable and not negotiating.
If Bobby wants to hold his breath for 5 a year, he’s gonna suffocate. Can’t we just trade him and be done with it. Our playoff chances will improve if we get a top 4 guy. I thought Arthur was a little crazy when he said Orpik, bit I wonder…
By wonder, I mean hope.
by Daniel AC on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It's tough to really know
what to expect at this point. Publicly, we’ve heard that Bob is done negotiating, that he will match an offer sheet, and that he won’t trade Bobby.
These three statements together just seem dumb to me. It’s like they’re resigned to the fact that they’re going to overpay for Bobby via offer sheet. Why not try to make a little larger offer instead of possibly getting burned for a lot more per year?
I’ve seen speculation on the OC Register board (which is all it is, speculation) that the team could be using an offer sheet as an out for paying Bobby more than Perry or Getz. Does anyone think there’s any merit to that?
by PhantomPretender on Jul 23, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a possibility. It would be really foolish though. He’s not worth that kind of money. 30 goal scorers may not grow on trees, but neither does a tandem like Getzlaf and Perry. Getzlaf is a franchise center and the last thing the Ducks need to do is make him feel like Bobby Ryan is more important.
In my opinion, Murray gains credibility in negotiation from the offer sheet…kind of. It might be that he can step back and say he was a hardliner and shrewd with his advantage, but was FORCED to match an offer sheet that paid Ryan more money than he was willing to give up.
Whatever
Bottom line? Murray is taking a gamble…calculated risk he really doesn’t have to do anything. He’s put two very good offers on the table, the ball is in Ryan’s court.
I really don’t see how the Ducks can lose unless I’m missing something:
-signs for one of the two offers on the table = WIN
-signs an offer sheet and we match = WIN (as long as it’s reasonable which is implied by the “we match” part of the statement)
-signs an offer sheet and we get a bunch of sweet picks = WIN
-trade him while he’s a bit over valued = WIN
-Ryan comes back with a shorter reasonable $$ deal = WIN
In this situation I think the prudent thing is to wait it out…
The only problem I see is if he gets an offer sheet from a legit contender and we end up with a pick between 25-30. It worked out this year, but I don’t know if it will again. Other than that, I think you’re right. Nothing to do really, but wait it out.
One of the things I tried to discuss with Arthur because i wasn’t clear on potential CBA limitations, is we could work out a sign and trade in a potential offer sheet situation. In other words, if the offer is too high, maybe we can work out a situation where we match the offer sheet, but then trade him to the team that made the offer for pieces we like. It would seem better to take the pics, but depending on who signs him this could be a viable option. To be fair, I’m not 100% sure where this would fall in terms of the CBA. Meaning, I don’t know if we can talk trade once Bobby has signed an offer sheet, or if discussing such a thing would void any potential deal. Still, it’s just an idea for the board to discuss.
I would much rather pull a sign and trade then take pics. Any day of the week I am game for that. I would much rather see Ryan here next year but I am losing more and more faith that that will happen. We need D now and sending Bobby might be our best chance to shore up that problem.
by Newport Rebel on Jul 23, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well here’s the thing though. I don’t think bobby is going to sign one of the existing offers and i doubt he tries to come in for less money so those are out. If a team does offer sheet him, id be surprised if it wasn’t a total overpay. I don’t think someones going to come in at 5/27 or something. I also think that we have less leverage right now if we tried to trade him. Everyone knows were at an impasse so they could probably extort us a little right now. In other words, i think his value might be lower than normal right mow because of our contract and defenseman situation.
Realistically, i only see two outcomes. We overpay an offersheet to.keep him or we lose him via offer sheet. I do NOT think that murray has put himself in a good spot here if he’s willing to punt on further negotiations.
by PhantomPretender on Jul 24, 2010 8:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree on trade value. RFA status gives Murray all the trade leverage he needs. If no one puts together a good package, he can just sit and wait for an offer sheet or for bobby to cave. Bobby won’t win the holdout war. I just don’t see how this ends well for Bobby, unless he takes less money or is wearing a different sweater next year.
by Daniel AC on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The issue for me is that if Bpbby is insisting on 5 a year and won’t even consider a 4.75, then he’s being a little unreasonable and not negotiating.
I came away from all the stuff i’ve read thinking Bobby and his agent are trying to get a 3 year deal, not 5 or 4. Murray does not want to do that because he does not want to pay that next raise in only 3 years, AND, probabbly ost important, he does not want Getz, Perry and Ryan contracts all expiring at the same time.
Bobby is beign a dick.
Youngman recapped it recently
And pointed out that Four makes the most sense for Ryan. The only source for Ryan wanting three is Bob McKenzie, who was probably trying to express why Ryan would turn down a five and four year deal, not quoting a source. Being that he’s Canadian media, he also forgets that Ryan turned down a three year deal to open negotiations. I really wish Anaheim coverage of something could NOT be hijacked by Bob McKenzie getting something wrong, but I guess those are the times we live in.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 24, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, he’ll holdout. I think he can even holdout the entire season if he wants to. When you keep someone in the minors until they’re 20, you synchronize their Unrestricted Free Agency with their age i.e. he’ll be a UFA when he turns 27, whether he plays or not. So, as far as Ryan is concerned, if he’s trying to get to UFA, losing a season doesn’t mean anything in his quest to get out of Anaheim.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 25, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
full disclosure
I believe SBN has acquired Sporting News, but that did not influence my decision to fanshot this when I saw it on Eric Stephens’ Twitter.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
For all the less intelligent people (mainly just me) what exactly does that mean?
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Oh, it’s nothing important, just that SBN acquired The Sporting Blog and some of the online Sporting News writers will be working for SBN’s national site. I don’t know if Custance is one of them, but I didn’t want anyone saying this was some sort of cross-promotional thing.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jul 23, 2010 6:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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