The Kariya-n War
ARTHUR:
In the short history of Anaheim Calling, we've managed to rub some people the wrong way. There was, of course, the time Jen rattled Joffrey Lupul. Then there was the time Daniel and I claimed Brent Seabrook was complicit in his own concussion after he put a high hit on Corey Perry. Blackhawks fans loved that one (but my response remains: 'applesauce'). However, our most memorable dust-up, for me at least, came just five days into our existence, when Daniel and I discussed Paul Kariya. The actual flame war happened on another site, so it's not preserved for posterity as far as I know, but the person (who claimed to be a fan during the 90s) was trying to convince me that Ducks fans were happy with how well Paul Kariya was protected after the Suter incident. Oh, really?*
What has always irked me about the way Ducks fans hate Paul Kariya is that it's often built around a lot of revisionist history, like a twisted oral tradition. And apparently, it's irked the OC Register's Randy Youngman as well. After receiving a letter on Friday that cites the apocryphal "handshake agreement" between Paul Kariya and Bryan Murray in 2003, wherein the star forward supposedly promised to return to Anaheim for less money after not being qualified, Youngman debunked the "original season ticket holder's" assertion that the agreement existed. What's more, as the story was initially reported in the OC Register, Youngman simply consulted his old notes in order to tell the reader that the story the fan has been repeating for seven years is not the story the reporter wrote.
In his article, Youngman recalls what I reminded our readers of last year, that then-Ducks GM Bryan Murray never said there was an agreement. In addressing Kariya's claim that he was 'surprised' not to be qualified, Murray responded that he informed his star player of a strategy that involved bringing Kariya back for less money and that the veteran responded that money wouldn't be an issue for him. Kariya has never confirmed this, and even based on Murray's story, it's unclear if Kariya was aware of how committed the general manager was to this strategy:
But Murray also conceded that Kariya's agent, Don Baizley, warned the GM his client would at least explore his options if Kariya was not qualified. A few days later on June 29, Kariya called Murray at a hotel in Canada and informed him, "Bryan, if you don't qualify me, I think I should look around." When Kariya and Selanne signed with Colorado on July 3, Murray was upset that he didn't get a chance to make a counter-offer, as Baizley had promised he would.
Why did the Ducks' general manager bank on a strategy to which he knew his player was not equally committed? Did he not consider that when Kariya said money would not be an issue that the left wing was contemplating the CBA loophole that guaranteed him UFA status before the age of 31 if he took a paycheck below the league average? Or was he more honest when he described Kariya as "disappointed" and the Ducks as "restructuring" on July 1st?
Regardless of what Bryan Murray was thinking, he took his lumps in retelling the story, and he never painted the situation as negatively as Ducks fans have. Youngman's article is an example of how fans, sometimes even original die-hard fans, have managed to misremember events to conform with their hatred. Recently, one of our readers said that, as he recalled, Selanne didn't want a raise, but the Ducks forced the money upon him without exchanging numbers in negotiation in order to give him as much as Kariya. Those are the kinds of tall tales we're dealing with here, people!
Of course, there are reasons to dislike Paul Kariya that exist in the factual realm, and maybe those things make it easier to apply a little hyperbole to recollection. He wasn't the warmest guy, as Jen will attest. Also, and this may be the root of the hatred of many fans, it's entirely possible that he didn't want to play here, and for many fans, lack of enthusiasm for the crest is a cardinal sin. Before the draft, Kariya said he wouldn't mind playing for an expansion team, but he was greeted rather soundly by an expansion team that didn't want to spend any money. He was rumored early on to be unhappy with Disney's dealings, and his contract in Colorado shows he was frustrated by an RFA system that kept him the property of one team until the age of 31.
I wonder, then, how Ducks fans will remember Bobby Ryan, who seems dissatisfied with what the Ducks are willing to spend on him, dissatisfied with how negotiations are progressing and dissatisfied with the distance the CBA has placed between him and unrestricted free agency. Is the first cut the deepest, or will Ducks fans again attribute a money-hungry-never-wanted-to-play-here attitude to their star and concoct campfire canards of his greedy exploits? I hope Eric Stephens doesn't throw away his notes.
*if that video doesn't play on the link, here is an embed:
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I miss Sevy.
I never knew the whole story about Paul until I started reading here. I (like all the other misinformed fans) used to boo him every time he touched the puck. I was under the impression that he had outrageous salary demands the season he left Anaheim, but decided to play for another team while being paid considerably less than his demands from Anaheim. Naturally, I was upset.
It’s good to get an unbiased point of view on Ducks history and current events. Keep it up guys!
There's nothing to see here. And nothing gazes back at me.
I have changed perspective on the situation as well thanks to this site. All this Kariya talk reminds me how glad I am that Disney is gone.
There's always money in the banana stand
Again, though
feel free to hate the guy because he wasn’t very fan friendly. That’s not important to me, but I don’t begrudge Jen her perspective. And while Randy Youngman tries to chide the fan in that letter for blaming Kariya for making so much money, I don’t argue with people on whether or not Kariya wanted top dollar in his prime. If you’re against people making millions for playing a sport, that’s your point of view. I’m against golden parachutes for CEO’s, but I’ve never thought that job was all that difficult.
On whether or not he wanted to play here, I speculate above, but I can’t really say. I assume a lot of guys we draft don’t want to play here or stay here. I think Kariya never really wanted to go to a big market team, so the fear of him signing the giant offer sheet that Sakic did with New York was probably never palpable, but that doesn’t mean he wanted to play for us, specifically. I do think that some bad deals with Disney and the front office made it difficult for him to stomach dealing with them into his 30s.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Aug 23, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgot to note that Ducks fans also get emotional
about the rally promise to return. Honestly, though, an RFA promising he’ll return to help you win a Cup isn’t saying much. If Bobby Ryan promised that last year, it would be the same as him saying, "No, I will not go play in the KHL." It’s a nice sentiment, but the intention isn’t exactly front page news.
Now, if you served Bobby with his freedom papers after he made that promise, then I don’t know if he comes back just because you leave the porch light on for him. And that doesn’t make him a rat or a weasel, just a professional athlete concerned about how much money he can make before his skills are diminished by injury, time or just the yips.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Aug 23, 2010 3:20 PM PDT reply actions
Thanks for this Arthur. I was young when the Ducks started and Kariya immediately became my favorite player. I was heartbroken when he left, but at the time, and up until this day, I haven’t really had bad feelings towards him. Obviously I was disappointed that my favorite player had left my favorite team, but I wasn’t surprised at his decision. I was surprised that Murray chose not qualify him and I was also surprised that the fact that Kariya sought other offers and ultimately signed with Colorado came as a shock to so many of my fellow Ducks fans. Whenever a GM gives a player the ability to seek other offers, I don’t see how anyone can be surprised when they sign with another team, especially given Kariya’s already contentious relationship with management and the lack of protection they had given him in the past. I too never was bothered by Kariya’s less-than-personable demeanor, I only cared that he was great on the ice. I definitely think this revisionist history espoused by so many Ducks fans has made it somewhat “cool” for them to bash Kariya. Yet, I think they fail to realize how important Kariya was to this franchise, his talent immediately gave credence to our organization. If he had been a bust, who knows where we would be today. I agree with you, that fans can dislike him for leaving or for his personality, but it was becoming annoying to listen to fans continue to regurgitate this revised story as justification for their hatred of him. It will be awesome if Kariya returns, provided its in the best interest of the team, and he will always be my favorite player. Kariya’s goal against the Devils in ’03 was teh awesome.
you’re welcome, Motherboy, though you should really throw a thank you to Randy Youngman, who bothered to dig up his old notes (and even a new quote, I believe) to call out this fan. When I commented on this last year, I couldn’t find his 2003 article online.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Aug 23, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of understand what happened. I was a huge Kariya fan, and still am a fan of his, and might not be a Duck fan right now if he wasn’t on the team. Part of the reason was because he was half Japanese and being Japanese, it was cool to have a Japanese player in the NHL, especially since he was a superstar. I actually rooted for Colorado after we didn’t make the playoffs that year because of Selanne and Kariya and also because I really hated the Red Wings. We also kind of benefited from his departure with the extra money to allow management freedom to do many things to help build our Stanley Cup team. I can’t complain, we’ve had some amazing years since he left, and I would be happy if we could find away to sign him again (at an affordable price)
I think the Japanese connection was an important component of what Kariya brought to Anaheim, selling a bona fide Asian superstar to Orange County’s large Asian demographic. In fact, Kariya’s father, Tetsuhiko, was born in a Canadian internment camp, a plight shared by plenty of Orange and LA Counties’ Nisei or Sansei. Ironically, though, the degree to which Kariya was willing to have an outgoing and sociable personality for the fans was surely influenced by the fact that he had a fairly Japanese upbringing.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Aug 23, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions

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