Hagman
by DavidBL on Nov 14, 2011 12:03 PM PST
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Hagman was placed on waivers by Calgary. He's a decent sized LW with 1 year left on his deal paying him 3 million. He has had 3 seasons with 40+ points. Do we claim and move salary when Blake gets back or just leave him. If what I've read is true he has all sorts of work ethic. Obviously that is not enough reason to pick him up but it could make us a bit deeper. He's experienced enough that he could probably play 2nd or 3rd line. Any thoughts?
UPDATE: Not sure how you people willed it to happen, but he's ours now. Ducks picked him up off waivers today. To make room, Peter Holland was sent back to Syracuse. - Jen
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I think he’s Finnish too. Who wouldn’t want a line of all Finns.
by Daniel AC on Nov 11, 2011 8:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Also, the problem isn’t Blake, it’s Cogliano, because Holland is starting to look pretty good.
by Daniel AC on Nov 11, 2011 8:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I knew you would come around eventually.
by Newport Rebel on Nov 11, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know what you mean by come around. I’ve consistently said he needs to play more to his size. That’s it really. Still don’t know if he’ll be great, but he’s looked better than Cogs.
by Daniel AC on Nov 11, 2011 4:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As a finn
I’d love this to happen. Hagman has great skills but is very inconsistent……don’t know what happened to him in Galgary, before he was scoring 20+ goals in a season. He was also pretty much the best player in Vancouver for us. Also hes really a hadworker guy loves to forecheck and steal pucks..
We need forecheckers who score, so yes please.
by Daniel AC on Nov 11, 2011 10:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe, but he doesn’t seem like a Carlyle player.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
by not a “Carlyle player” do you mean that he actually skates, forechecks and shoots the puck, because the current Carlyle players I see don’t do that
by dontmesswiththestache on Nov 11, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Hagman for half price
hes on re-entry waivers now…..c’mon Murray!!!!!
yes
In a move I still actually don’t believe happened we picked him up off waivers.
by Kevin Riach on Nov 14, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I hope this means we go full Finn on L2, move Cogs into McMillan’s spot on L3 and then scratch McMillan.
RPG
Finns
Cogs – Holland – DSP
Beleskey – Mace – Flash
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Really wish holland was still up instead of bonino. I’m guessing (hoping) that he takes the center spot over cogs because that’s just another disaster waiting to happen.
I kind of wish Holland was still up as well, but it might have been a money move. I liked the idea of Cogs still on the second line LW with Holland centering Gordon and Hagman. We’ll likely see Hagman on the 2nd with Cogs centering Gordon and McMillan or DSP
I would be shocked if he moves anyone from that 2nd line due to the fact they’ve been fairly consistent and arguably our best line. That being said they moved down Holland even though produced well in his time here, and Randy always says that production determines playing time. I’ve given up trying to predict what RC is going to do. Hell maybe he’ll play Brookbank as a forward with Getzlaf and Perry! I wouldn’t even be that surprised if that actually happened.
I thought Carlyle was starting to do a good jon rolling that third line and that it was turning a corner for us. I think Holland had the most movable contract and that’s why he went. Holland will definitely be here next year, but Bonino might not so Bonino gets the minutes to be trade bait.
I really think I would have liked Cogs-Holland-Devo as a line, though. Pity.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I still think putting together lines with 2 or more rookies is a bad idea. In order for them to truly have a chance at succeed we should follow other (successful) franchises and surround them with vets so that they aren’t forced to do too much coming in. That being said I still don’t understand what RC/Murray expect from these guys during their third line audition to receive more playing time. Because apparently scoring goals doesn’t cut it.
We had a line of rookies when we won the Cup.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 11:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
There are always exceptions
But I would say that those cases are very rare. I also would point to the fact that those were three rookies who all played very similar games and I don’t really see three of our current guys with games that match up like that. Also Perry, Getzlaf, and Penner had a specific role on the team. The McDonald/Selanne/Kunitz line was the offensive line and the Paulsen line was Defensive. That rookie line had one job: cycle the puck. I still don’t think Randy has found a clear role, strategy, or identity yet for the rookies we’ve seen come in the past few years.
by Kevin Riach on Nov 14, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I wanna see Gordon on the 3rd line. I personally don’t think hes being used to his potential. I actually would love to see him play with Teemu and Koivu on the 2nd line over Cogs. But, who knows what RC has up his sleeves now with the new edition.. Guess we shall see.
by Hockey Phreak on Nov 14, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Gordon needs to finish a scoring chance before he gets moved up the depth chart. If he can’t start scoring, he’s the odd man out when Parros comes back.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 1:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Putting him on a lower line thats made for checking is like setting him up to fail. If he got a chance on a scoring line, I think things would change.
Disclaimer: I don’t claim to know more then you guys, just stating my opinion from what i’ve seen. I also don’t get to watch every game cause I live in Rhode Island. So this is just a opinion from the games I get to watch.
by Hockey Phreak on Nov 14, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I was very sold on Gordon coming out if camp and felt he earned that third line spot, but after ten games, I think he had an assist. The guy is still helping create chances on the fourth line, and I like how he’s playing. But he got a chance in the third line; now he’s gotta earn a second one.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 3:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I can see what your saying. But from the games I saw, Cogs didnt do shit on the 3rd line and he got promoted to the 2nd not demoted. No one on that line was finishing there chances, but to me it looked like Gordon was doing the best at creating the chances, playing aggressive, forcing turnovers, ect. I dunno, like I said just my opinion.
by Hockey Phreak on Nov 14, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
First, I think that Cogs’ speed was the mitigating factor in that decision. However, Cogs also has a shiny new contract that comes with expectations. The Ducks have to invest in him. Gordon is a free agent freebie, as it were.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 11:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
100% agree.
Cogs is the Blake replacement because of his speed and the fact that he got a new contract. the ducks just need to push him as much as they can, so maybe that contract is worth it.
I’m not disagreeing with you guys about that, I was just stating how he didnt show anything either. As for his speed being a factor, Gordons fast also, is Cogs faster? I dont really know ive never seen them play in person.
by Hockey Phreak on Nov 15, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Cogs is definitely faster, and that contract is a big factor. You don’t spend that kind of money on a kid and not give him multiple chances to succeed.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 12:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Great nab from the wire. Carlyle wants 3 scoring lines? Pull the trigger on Blake for Penner.
PPG
Finns
Bobby/Cogs/Gordon
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by Bleys on Nov 14, 2011 2:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Our best bet is to hope that Penner’s fill-in (for those who don’t know, he’s injured right now) to show every indication of wanting to be in an NHL lineup every day, showing hustle and playing like a true professional.
If Penner’s fill-in does that, then it might show Dean Lombardi that he is the right choice over Penner, and that Penner’s contract should be moved.
I don’t think Blake would be the man going the other way though. I honestly doubt there is a market for him.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Why wouldn’t the Kings want to do it? Penner ain’t doing squat for them anyways. Blake is a known entity.
First and foremost, teams RARELY trade within their own division. The reason is you don’t want to help out a team that you are directly competing against. Beyond that, I would argue that Penner has more potential. Plus the Kings had Blake once and saw fit to ship him out before. But mostly for the first reason there is no way this is happening.
The more I realize it now, the more I think it would have been suitable to name Koivu the captain in 2009. Were he to act as a ‘stop-gap’ (sort of like Milan Hejduk is right now for Colorado), then I think the atmosphere in the locker room and overall attitude of the team would be different.
Had Koivu been the captain last year and this year, then I think we would have been winning more games. This also would have opened up the captaincy for somebody else next year to start anew; and by all indications, I do not think that player would be the one who is wearing the C right now…
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
You think they would have done better than 4th in the conference with Koivu as the captain? What makes you think that?
I’m not going to say that captains aren’t important, they are. However some guys flourish without the C. Marleau lost his and put up great numbers.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 3:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think captains are important too. I don’t think that Koivu has been restrained in any way from leading this team. I don’t think that not having the C on his chest has somehow short changed us from any of his leadership on and off the ice. And he wears the A so he gets a say on the ice with officials. I just don’t see a major detriment from having Getzlaf wear the C. I’m not saying I think he’s some great captian but I was more looking for insight into why you dont think Getzlaf is a good captain and why we would be a better team with Koivu wearing the C.
Or you can look at how Koivu performed in Montreal with the C on his chest and how Getzlaf has performed with an A and with a C.
Although I may be saying this a bit prematurely, but I think Getzlaf needs to put more focus on his game instead of being the leader of the locker room that most of us want him to be. I’d rather have the amazing Getzlaf from 08-09 who wears an A, than the listless Getzlaf with the C on his chest who forgot the Ducks were even in the playoffs last year.
The better letter doesn’t phase Koivu’s game, and he can put the same amount of effort with or without the C. Therefore, if he would have assumed the captaincy from Niedermayer, I believe we would have seen the same game he has played in Anaheim for two years.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Koivu is older, which is why he’s less productive than he was in his MTL days.
Getzlafs was averaging over a pt a game last season, how did he drop off from 08/09? This season its still to early to say that he is significantly off his pace. Yea he’s started slow, but so has EVERYONE on the Ducks, other than Teemu.
oh please….
Getzlaf is the same player he was every single season so far.
he produces the same amount of points per game, he makes the same moves, and he has the same weaknesses.
for gods sake, we are NOT losing because we have Getzlaf and not Koivu as Captain. What a statement… please be serious
by Freakle on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there’s at least a fair argument to be made that leader’s set tones. I’ve argued for a while that Murray’s lack of a coherent roster plan has frustrated this team. It makes sense to me that a guy who has been identified as the team leader would affect the culture of the team.
Now, do I believe he’s the sole reason the Ducks are losing? No. Do I think it might be a contributing factor? Yes. Do I thunk the ducks might have been a few games better last year and this year with a different captain? Maybe.
At the very least, San Jose thought it was enough of an issue to strip Marleau’s C. Maybe we should consider it this offseason.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 8:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, because the team’s playing great.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 6:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
4th in the conference is an allusion. We were never really the 4th best team for the entire year. I mean, do you honestly think you can say we were? I’d rather have consistency from my team than a false standing at the end of the year that shows the progress of a team that got hot near the end of the season.
We have two leaders on our team: Saku and Teemu, and one of them didn’t care to assume the captaincy. I know the organization wanted to follow the precedence set by teams like Pittsburgh and Chicago by naming inexperienced captains, but I think we should’ve named a true captain until one of the ’03 boys was ready.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Also, don’t forget how good our team did while our Captain was hurt and not on the ice with them. They played better with someone else assuming the role temporarily while he was out.
by Hockey Phreak on Nov 14, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, maybe I’m overreacting, but all I want is a Getzlaf that wants to be the best player in on the team and in the game. Right now, it seems like he has lost that passion and drive, and I think it would suit him better if he wasn’t wearing the C.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
I’m beginning to think motivation is over-rated. It’s a crutch for fans who watch the games. We like to see it, but if Getzlaf doesn’t and hussle and we win, does his effort matter? I don’t know. I think it would be cool if none of our players wore the C.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 6:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like to think that motivation is overrated, but I can’t come to grasp with that.
The best players to ever lace up the skates said that they were motivated to play hockey every day and do their best for the team to win. When I hear that from legends and then I see that exact trait in guys like Crosby, Perry, Ovechkin, Toews and the Sedins, I can tell that they are destined for greater things. Maybe Getzlaf is trying, and I just can’t see it; I don’t know.
And I also think rotating A’s would be cool for our team. I assume that is one way the coaching staff could weed out the leaders of the locker room.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Ok so if the season went on another week or two it’s fair to say we would have probably been in the 5/6/7 spot. That’s overachieving given the lineup we had last year. The powerplay was a big reason for our success and Getzlaf is a big reason why our powerplay was so damn good.
we were 4th with 99 points,
the 8th place chicago had 97 points.
a season were you need to achiev nearly 100 points to grab the 8th seed is not a representable season in my mind.
but you are right, as i stated above, Getzlaf is the same player he allways was.
The problem is, that we fans expect more out of him just because he is wearing the C.
But letting all that goofie Movies besides, it’s not important who wears that C. A Leader will allways act as one, no matter if he wears a letter or not on his jersey.
The C for Getzlaf was just a try to let him mature in this role.
So at what point do you admit that experiment has failed? Like you say, same player he always was.
And I’d argue it matters who wears the C because it shows what direction management wants to take and what personality they want the team to take on. When you pick a young precociously talented player who doesn’t always look like he’s giving 100% out there over a much-loved veteran who is one of the heart and effort guys in the entire league, that’s sending a message to the locker room. Maybe not a huge factor, but if it wasn’t a factor they wouldn’t make anybody the captain.
they make anybody the captain.
that’s exactly what is happening throughout every league.
most of the times not a leader gets the C, but your most talented player becomes your captain.
As if this team struggels because Getzlaf wears a C on his jersey and not Koivu.
Do you really belief that a guy like Koivu (or Marchant last year) just sit quiet in the lockerroom because they have no letter on them.
A leader will allways be a leader in a team, no matter how you decorate him.
Also, I think the players elected Getzlaf.
by Daniel AC on Nov 16, 2011 9:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lines
I think its funny that people want Hagman to play with the fins. The guy is a two way guy, and would be perfect for a more two way focused line. Granted RC seems content with playing the Koivu line as our D line as well so maybe its good putting someone who can actually play defense on that line. That being said, if Carlyle has any originality left in him, I would like to see this:
RPG
Cogs-Koivu-Selanne
Hagman-Macenaeur-McMillan
DSP-Bonino-Beleskey
Lydman-Fowler
Beauchemin-Sbisa
Brookbank-Foster
Randy gets his Defense line, two scoring lines, and a checking line. Those D pairs look responsible enough to me. As far as goaltending goes, maybe throw Ellis out there to allow Hiller some rest, and for the rest of the team to figure out how to play responsible hockey. While I personally would like to see something more drastic, I think this is already too much change for Randy to consider.
How s that creative? You haven’t touched the top two lines. Hagman may not have been producing, but we should be trying to reclaim him as a potential top 6 guy. He can pot 20 goals, something Cogs has never done. Let Cogs earn his money on the third line.
I think it’s funny that you think that line doesn’t need defensive help. A couple games ago they were a combined -9. That’s horrible. A two way player who can finish would be a great addition to that line. Plus, I want to hear them screaming at each other in Finnish on the ice! That would be awesome!
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 6:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry if I didn’t make it clear. I thought that would be creative for Carlyle. Moving Macenaeur to the 3rd line? God forbid. Also I did say that if he was added to that line it would be “good putting someone who can actually play defense”, so clearly I think that line DOES need Defensive help. Also aside from the “-9” night they have been our most productive line. Also that game they where being used as a “Defensive” line the entire game, so that once we got the lead in the game they were constantly thrown against the Kessler and Sedin lines (the top line ended up playing a lot against them too). Now if you want Carlyle to throw Hagman on that line and call it a day be my guest (and I think that will be the case at least at first). But really Carlyle isn’t going to change his style, so putting together 3 scoring lines is pointless if Randy is only going to play two and drop into the “shell” game plan as usual.
If it were up to me I would go even more out there and do something like this:
Gordon-Getzlaf-Selanne
Hagman-Koivu-Perry
Belesky-Cogs-Ryan
McMillan-Macenauer-DSP
As I said before I think to split up the “fins” and the big 3 is the only way this team starts playing its best hockey. And Daniel, I think you can have Perry on a defensive line and still have him produce goals because thats exactly what Selanne is doing right now.
No, it’s not. Carlyle isn’t using them as a defensive line, he just doesn’t have other options.
RPG
Finns
Cogs-Bonino-Devo
Beleskey-Mace-Parros/Gordon.
It’s not super creative, but it could be effective. If you want me to be creative, switch DSP and Bobby. That’s three scoring lines and a checking line. Defensive line be damned!
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 11:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That seems like a contradiction
He’s not using them as a defensive line, but he doesn’t have other options? So then you agree then that when Randy needs Defense he throws the Koivu line out? I’m not sure If I would agree that third line just because I personally don’t think Bonino is worth any sort of playing time and I’m tired of giving him chances. That being said I agree with you in believing that there should be 3 scoring lines instead of 2 and D line (btw I liked your “creative line”, its really too bad DSP will probably never get the opportunity). But as I’ve stated Randy Carlyle is not the coach for that team. I have seen enough proof over the last 3 seasons that RC WILL NOT play a 3 scoring line. He WILL NOT attack the opposition for a full 60 minutes. He just isn’t capable of coaching like that. He needs to have a defensive line, and currently I don’t see that, but I believe Hagman is the best piece we have now to put one together. Whether Randy does or not is up to him.
by Kevin Riach on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
we have no defensive line, so carlyle doesn’t throw a defensive line out there.
he just let’s someone play.
and because the koivu line is the most experienced line and the fastest line, he throws them out there to help out the RPG guys (who are, as allways, demanded to do it all).
why on earth does a team need a defensive line? that only makes sense if you have the personal for it and also a shutdown dmen pairing.
we have neither (nor has a team like detroit … and they do pretty well the last few years).
you just need a line that is capable of winning battles, breaking up passes and skate those n the offensive zone.
so to sum it up… you just need a line who can play hockey.
That’s why they are out there, and nothing else
I won’t deny the contradiction, life is full of contradictions. I do however have two counter arguments.
1) As was noted directly above me, there’s just no alternative. Carlyle has no other option than to play them in defensive situations. To put it another way, the poor bastard is forced to eat his soup with a fork.
2) playing a scoring line in a defensive situation doesn’t magically make it a defensive line. It seems more provable to me that Carlyle is putting that line out to make the other team play defense, not to make that line play defense against the other team.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 8:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think Hagman/Mace/Beleskey is the start of a decent defensive line.Three guys with decent size who can skate and hit and one of the better faceoff guys on the team (a very underrated part of a line that takes a ton of faceoffs in their own zone)
I like these lines:
RPG
Cogs, Koivu, Selanne
Hagman, Bonino/McMillan, Beleskey
Gordon/Parros, Macenaeur,DSP
Not very creative, but I think those will work. I’d actually rather see Holland as that 3rd line center, but whatever.
DSP is really improving. I don’t think he should be exiled to the 4th line.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 11:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like it!
RPG
Cogs, Koivu, Selanne
Hagman, Bonino/McMillan, DSP
Gordon, Mace, Beleskey
I think McMillan has been better than Bonino. I think it will be up to whether he’s ready to play or not.
I’m not sure what he’ll do with Jacques. They might put him in instead of Gordon since Gordon hasn’t shown much lately or Beleskey since we’ll be playing the Kings who like to play us physical.
I like this the best of the lineups I’ve seen, with the possible exception of putting DSP on the second line. What that means for Cogliano I don’t know.
Slightly off topic, but Murray looks like he’s overpaid for another youngish player with obvious talent who his current team had given up on and the rest of the league didn’t value as much. Whitney, Wizniewski, Artyukhin and to a lesser extent guys like Nokelainen and Christensen. I’m sure there are more that aren’t coming to mind. The more I post on this site, the more I come to the conclusion that a lot of what is wrong with this team is our GM and that’s the change we need to make.
Enough Forwards, The Ducks Need A Blue Liner, & A New Coach!
Adding Hagman, and Maxwell will not correct the 2011-12 Ducks, Getting a defenseman who knows how to actually play the man will help especially with Lubo out.
The Ducks lack of offense is related to their lazy work habits which is a direct result of their coach. It’s not because they don’t have another 3 line winger.
The two players that lifted the Ducks to Stanley Cup winners were Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger, These two blue liners lifted the Ducks to elite status. Now that they are both gone, the Ducks biggest hole is on the defense.
It’s that simple.
Murray needs to stop picking up trash off waivers and find defenseman that will actually play the man, not the puck!
Yours from a Cra8z’d Ducks Fan
by Cra8zd Ducks Fan on Nov 14, 2011 8:32 PM PST reply actions
Hagman brings size and a 2-way game to a team that needs defensively responsible forwards. If we’re going to invest in forwards we also need to stick to team D. That means more responsible guys up front. Could we use an elite blue line guy? Of course. I’ve wanted one since Phaneuf was on the trade market. However it’s also important to use what you have and what you can afford. Unless the Ducks want to part with one of the big 3, that defender will never come to Anaheim.
by Daniel AC on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We could use the grit that he plays with, I also miss the Burke days when we were a team to be feared physically. Sure we got the thug label, but at least back then we got results with the penalties. Now it feels like we just get the penalties.
I wonder if maybe a guy like Bouwmeester would ever be a possibility. Big contract yeah, I think it was like 5 years 30 some million but Calgary hasn’t been doing to well recently. If there was any possibility of Carlyle molding him into a more physical player that would be an attractive thought
Those Burke years were the best in Anaheim history. Our philosophy was so simple: pay a price. We made guys pay the price for our ice and we paid the price on the other end. It was great hockey to watch.
If Burke would have been here when Phaneuf hit the market, I think Dion is wearing a Ducks sweater now.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 11:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gonna play devil’s advocate here, cause I feel that a lot of people on this site play “oh wouldn’t it be great if we just had everyone from the cup team back?”. Don’t get me wrong, I think Burke is a way better GM than Murray. You are right that we would probably have someone like Phaneuf, but we would probably also have someone like Komisarek. Burke takes risks, that means there are both great moves and questionable ones. In the end I think he is best suited for a team that spends to the cap and make those mistakes and burry contracts in the AHL.
The fuck is his problem?
Every photo I’ve seen of Niklas, he looks like he wants to stab me, take my wallet and then piss on my dying body.. Haven’t seen him play but here’s hoping he’s as gritty on ice as he is in those mugshots.
Per Eric Stephens' Twitter account...
Hagman is skating alongside McMillan and Devo.
And Parros is back skating – with a visor.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
by JuMowbray on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I suppose that’s the safe place to start him. Maybe he’ll do those kids some good
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 11:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
If anything, I hope it gets McMillan going again. He’s someone we need back in last year’s form to improve our scoring ability.
I also like the idea that this is essentially Hagman’s line. RC gave him a centre with scoring ability in 64 and a ‘crease-presence’ in DSP.
And since Parros may he back soon, does this mean Gordon is the odd-man out?
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
by JuMowbray on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt Gordon is the odd man out, though it might not be a bad idea to send him to Syracuse for a week to get his confidence back. Might be good for him. More likely I think Belesky is the odd man out. Is Palmieri still hurt?
Gordon is definitely the odd man out; he can’t match Beleskey’s physical game.
I don’t like the idea of giving Hagman his own line. He’s a complimentary piece, not a center piece. He should be with good players who can get him going. He’s been struggling and should be given a chance to breakthrough with good players.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Belesky’s offensive ceiling is lower than Gordon’s. We need goals, Gordon is the better scorer. I guess the counter would be you need grit in the bottom six, which is a fair argument, but i’ll take a snake bit scorer over a guy who’s good at getting punched in the face any day.
Beleskey’s offensive ceiling isn’t lower than Gordon’s, you know considering that neither one of them has scored. Beleskey has a much heavier shot than Gordon. More importantly, Parros is still out, we need someone who drops the gloves on the fourth line, not another guy who can’t put the biscuit in the basket.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 2:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Time will tell who’s the better scorer. Gordon is a scorer, Belesky is a grinder. You are in the minority if you think Belesky has the higher offensive ceiling.
JF Jacques just got called up along with Nate Guenin. Looks like Jacques will be handed the enforcing duties along with Brookbank.
I’m used to being a minority, especially around here.
by Daniel AC on Nov 15, 2011 4:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
I’d kinda be down to see Guenin start playing again. He showed some heart I thought in his short time here.
I’m not too sure of what use Hagman would be on the top line. It’s pretty well documented on here that what Getzlaf and Perry need is someone who can go to the net and cover the crease. Hagman does none of those.
Although I still kind of like the idea that you suggest of moving Bobby down to the third line. I see no harm in giving him the duties to become the #1 on his own line. Toss Hagman up with the Finns and then move Cogliano down with Ryan. I mean, I can watch that Ryan to Cogliano pass against Vancouver all day if that’s what they are capable of doing.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Gordon is a scorer at the AHL level. There’s plenty of those kicking around.
I think the issue is we have way too many Gordon’s and Beleskey’s outside of our top 6. I like both as players but honestly, they are both very marginal NHLers and we have a ton of those guys. I do wonder if we have the weakest bottom two lines in the league. Which I guess indirectly is a pretty big endorsement of the Hagman pickup
I like this move! Now shake up the lines! … or else.
last thing Ducks need now is to lose two back to back to LA we need some positive results.
kinda dumb that someone who has already played in the US has to wait on his visa again. Why is hockey the only sport that seems to take this much time with work visas?
by dontmesswiththestache on Nov 15, 2011 8:17 PM PST reply actions
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