Duck U: RIV 103 – Los Angeles Kings
If you ask the average hockey fan on the street who the Ducks' number one rival is, I'd be willing to bet 90% will say the Kings. I belong in the other 10%. The main reason for that, in my opinion, is the lack of any significant competition between the two teams. It's an often repeated fact that the Ducks and Kings have only made the playoffs in the same year once, last season. That can mostly be attributed to the fact that both teams have been mediocre for most of those seasons, and other teams in the division, namely the Sharks and Stars, haven't made a ton of room for multiple other teams to squeeze in.
Between the lack of meaningful games and playing in a vast "non-traditional" hockey market with so many other entertainment options the "rivalry" is left sterile and bland. Most indicative of that was the internet campaign to "Name the Rivalry" back in 2008. Although the "Freeway Faceoff" seems to have caught on, it feels forced. The Home and Home mini-series to end last season, with both teams fighting for playoff spots, and home ice still up for grabs was a watershed for the rivalry. There was true emotion in those games on the ice and in the stands at both arenas. Teemu Selanne got in a fight for Pete's sake, but two games does not a rivalry make. Going back any further than that, I am having a very tough time thinking of any iconic moments between the two teams. Bobby Ryan had an incredible hat trick at Staples in 2009 and Teemu's 1,000th point came against the Kings in 2006, but those two events would have stood out equally if they were against the Florida Panthers. Seriously, if you have any others let me know in the comments because I'm drawing a blank.
The Kings' team, as it's constituted now, makes it even harder for me to conjure up a rivalry, because as a hockey fan I objectively like the way that they play and many of their players. Anze Kopitar is simply fantastic, there's no other way to put it. I'll always remember his first NHL goal where he absolutely smoked Chris Pronger and went backhand shelf on Jiggy (in his prime). Watching that highlight, I could care less that it was against the Ducks. It was AWESOME!
I don't understand why Dustin Brown is the captain, but I appreciate the way he plays the game. Justin Williams can make some spectacular plays, and having interviewed him twice I can say he's a really cool guy. Before they signed with the Kings I was begging Bob Murray to pick up Willie Mitchell and/or Rob Scuderi (not at that price tag though). Drew Doughty is a generational player and I just can't bring myself to say bad stuff about these guys. The Kings don't currently have a player that I can't stand, like a Jordin Tootoo, a Sean Avery, a Claude Lemieux or what the rest of the league thinks of Corey Perry. There is Jack Johnson, I guess, but Kings Fans don't even like him, so what's the point?
Having said all that, proximity is a factor in building this rivalry. No matter how bland the play on the ice, geography keeps the hopes for a rivalry between these two teams alive among the fans. Jen put it better than I have ever heard or read before when she said the Kings may not be the Ducks' rivals but they are our arch-nemeses. For me, at least that comes from living amongst Kings Fans. As a hockey fan and amateur writer (I cover Kings games on a semi-regular basis for Hockeytalk.biz) I can be objective about the players on the ice, but as a Ducks fan, the mere sight of a Kings bumper sticker makes me legitimately angry. Don't even get me started on the Addams Family Song, and the Cartman videos and the organist leading the crowd in the sing song goalie chant after one measly goal. It all pisses me off. I'm not proud of it, but it's true.
The reason for this is Kings fans' unjustified sense of superiority. Their argument seems to be based on three facts: 1) They were here first; 2) The Ducks were created by Disney and 3) The greatest player in the history of the game once played for their team. There may also be some kind of City vs. Suburb bias, but the Greater LA area is such a sprawl that I don't really buy it, there are plenty of Kings fans in the Inland Empire and Orange County. I fully admit that all of those things are true and beyond that, without Gretzky and the Kings the Ducks would not exist and I wouldn't be a hockey fan. It's the resulting air of self-righteousness that I have a problem with. I'm as much of a hockey snob as anyone (probably more), but to be looked down upon by a guy that still wears an Avery jersey makes my blood boil.
The easiest way to shut that down is the old "We won the Cup" argument. There is no retort.
At a Ducks/Kings game in Anaheim last year, I heard some guys walking through the concourse chanting "STAN-LEY CUP! STAN-LEY CUP!" While I don't condone that ‘cause it's just tacky, it's worth mentioning because a female Kings fan yelled back "That was four years ago!" As ridiculous and hilarious as her attempted reply was, she did have somewhat of a point. Just repeating a single fact to win an argument gets old and boring. I prefer to frame it a little differently.
Over the past 17 seasons, otherwise known as the entire history of the (Mighty) Ducks franchise, the Kings have won exactly one playoff series, versus Detroit in 2001. There are all kinds of ways to have fun with that stat as a Ducks fan. My personal favorite is that the Ducks have been to more Stanley Cup Finals than the Kings have won playoff series over that span. The straight up tally of 11 series wins to one is a close second. Of course, I'm the first to admit that the Kings are on the uphill climb and the Ducks ... not so much. We've got to enjoy the bragging rights while we can, because if and when the tables turn there will be no mercy.
With all the angst, jealousy and smugness from both sides of the crowd at a Ducks/Kings game, if the teams could only be competitive for a few years in a row this could be the next Penguins/Flyers. It just isn't there yet.
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i think its getting closer to a rivalry i personally thought those last two games of last season was as close as we’ve ever been to a rivalry….close games “playoff” atmosphere, the real great 8 getting two goals in one game and a fight in the other, playoff spots on the line.. but in reality i have to agree, despite the recent surge of fan support for the kings (their hats are considered trendy now), i dont hate them as much as i do san jose or detroit…i cant stand to even watch a replay of san jose no matter what the play is and detroit and the ducks have had some gnarly series that can produce nothing but hatred mixed with equal parts respect from me
You like how Dustin Brown plays the game? Hes a 3d line diver notable only for his ability to fore check and draw penalties. It was painful listening to them call him the best player on the ice. Cartmen, Goalie chants after 1 goal, their mascot hanging ducks. I posit other then nashville with their terrible terrible country music and “u suck” chants its the worst arena. I do love me some Doughty thou. I also love that his penance from some horrid crime is playing the Jack Johnson.
Yeah I love me some forecheckin’
As for the diving thing I generally shrug those kinds of accusations off because frankly everyone does it to some extent and it’s usually (not in this case) used as something to complain about against a player who you have nothing else to criticize for (see: Crosby, Sindey)
Also I think the image of him bleeding profusely from the face that the Kings trot out at every possible opportunity has been indellibly burned into my mind.
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he draws 2.0 penalties/60 and takes them at 0.9/60. Which is remarkable. You can claim he does it through skill like Crosby at 1.9/60 or 1.1/60 like DATSYUK or 1.2/60 like Perry. But none of that explains his 14.52 TOI compared to actually skilled hockey players. I enjoy his hustle, but other then the forecheck which is good his only real hockey skill is drawing penalties. I say he dives cause i’m a ducks fan, but its a legitimate complaint.
Where did you find these numbers?
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
I totally agree that the “Freeway Faceoff” seems forced. I don’t know how Kings fans feel about it, but I really don’t feel like there is a serious rivalry here. Even when the players are asked about it their answers confirming this heated rivalry seem forced. I understand why all involved want to make a big deal about it but its just not working out when its not all that genuine. I agree with J_Camp. As a fan I can’t stand either San Jose or Detroit. Those games always seem to have that extra edge to them. Even when the Ducks aren’t playing all that well.
It’s kind of like when they ask players “how does it feel to play back at home in front of these fans?!” What else are they supposed to say?
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Yeah. I wonder what kind of stuff we would hear if athletes got to say what they were really thinking.
“Well, I mean we are pros so we have sort of had to learn how to tune fans out so it really doesn’t make that much of a difference to us. But hey, we get first line change.”
“Rivalry? Nah. Me and so-and-so were roommates back in juniors. We go on fishing trips together every summer. I love those guys over there.”
LOL
That’s definitely something a hockey player would say since they all seem like they’re friends off the ice. That’s something I don’t really like, but hey, they have lives between hockey games I guess.
And if anyone were to say the second quote, it would definitely be Bobby Ryan. He’s really good friends with Brad Richardson of the Kings (they played together in Owen Sound), and I think they actually do go on fishing trips together in Idaho in the summer.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Like last year in the playoffs- who did you root for in the first round. Sharks or Kings and why? (even though we all wished they both would be eliminated)
Kings, mostly because the sharks are better and could have gone farther. I don’t want to give away the next rivalry post but I was tricked into rooting for the wings not to lose when they came up against the sharks too. Twice in a row!
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by Chris D-5 on Nov 17, 2011 3:08 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was also 'cheering' for LA.
Only because I can’t stand a lot of the guys on San Jose. Dany Heatley and Doug Murray are guys that I would never want to see on my team. I hate those guys. Especially for what Murray did to Lubo.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
To me, I can’t help but respect the Kings for building hockey in So Cal, enough so we got our team. Frankly, it always seemed to me like the Kings fans hate us seriously for being the commercially-born new kid on their turf, who would be fans of their team if we didn’t jump to the Ducks, while us Ducks fans halfheartedly hate the Kings because they hate us.
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by Bleys on Nov 17, 2011 12:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I kind of see it like a little kid jealous of his baby brother getting all the attention and new toys.
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by Chris D-5 on Nov 17, 2011 1:43 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
the Kings have won exactly one playoff series, versus Detroit in 2001. There are all kinds of ways to have fun with that stat as a Ducks fan. My personal favorite is that the Ducks have been to more Stanley Cup Finals than the Kings have won playoff series over that span. The straight up tally of 11 series wins to one is a close second.
Best.
Kings on the Upswing?
I’d have to disagree, simply by the fact that History repeats itself.
Ducks History?
-Team goes through lulls in performance then some catalyst propels it to new heights. If you look at their history on Wikipedia you can see trends where they just will be bad…real bad and then all of a sudden be good…real good! For instance when Pierre Page was let go or when Babcock was hired or when Burke came to town.
Kings History?
-Waves of good years with REALLY good players like Marcel Dionne, obviously Gretzky and now Kopitar. But they just can’t close…for like 40+ years!
I might be wrong, but there is 40+ years worth of history to go by. That plus Dean Lombardi couldn’t get it done in SJ, but built a pretty good team there too tells me it ain’t gonna happen. Kings fans will continue to blindly follow that team and blindly keep telling themselves the Ducks suck. Well they kinda do right now, but I think this is just one of their lull eras. Something is going to happen that will blow our minds (wouldn’t it be cool if Disco Dan was our coach?) and then BAM we’ll be minimum contending for the Cup and maximum winning it. Then we’ll go into a lull again and start the cycle over again.
That’s my take on your post here ;-)
I actually the Kings are a far more fundamental team that years before. They have grit, depth, a good minor league system and a bounty of leadership. Once their young guys get better, they will be WCF bound in no time. And the addition of Mike Richards put a whole different dynamic into that locker room that they didn’t have before and that was winning.
They may not get there with Terry Murray as their coach, but they definitely have the right pieces on that team to make a serious run.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
I actually feel this sums up very well some of my feelings and experience. I do really want this to develop into a rivalry but until both teams are good at the same time- for a period of time- we will be stuck in this forced Freeway Faceoff mode.
I also had never quantified the 11-1 playoff series wins. I love it.
I've always felt that San Jose was Anaheim's biggest rival
It’s got the NorCal/SoCal angle which is a lot more intense than LA/Orange County. The Sharks have had a lot more postseason success than the Kings and the two teams have actually met in the playoffs.
Now, if the Ducks and Kings someday meet in the Western Conference Finals all bets are off. But for now, I look at it this way. Anaheim’s biggest rival is San Jose with LA and Detroit tied for second.
Fight on!
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