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AC Reactions: Randy Carlyle Fired, Bruce Boudreau Hired

He's no Gordon Bombay, but he's our guy.

[Ed. Note: This is a working blog as the AC staff gathers themselves and reacts. Don't forget! After the Ducks 11:00am practice, Bruce Boudreau will officially be introduced as the new coach. The team *might* be broadcasting it live on the website]

ROBBY:
As the newest Ducks fan among the bunch here at AC, I don't have quite the same attachment to Randy Carlyle. When I became a fan near the end of the 2008-2009 season, Carlyle was the bench boss that guided the team to a frantic drive through the last two months of the season that earned them the 8th seed in the Western Conference. By a year later, I felt that I'd seen enough games to identify a few important characteristics of a Carlyle-coached squad:

  • The team, while achieving success on the ice, never seemed overly gregarious or happy. Even after a win, the focus was always on what could be done better. I legitimately cannot think of many instances where Carlyle was unequivocally positive about something.
  • Leads were often more dangerous than being tied or trailing. I cannot tell you how many times the season ticket holders around me groaned as the Ducks elected to dump and change once they had a lead, instead of carrying the puck in and establishing offensive shifts.
  • When things weren't working, the bottom lines disappeared and players started shuffling around the lineup. This almost never worked.

I appreciate what Carlyle did for the franchise from a historical perspective, but in the 3+ years I've followed the Ducks, here's how they've fared:

  • 2008-2009: Probably the most exciting season still as a fan. I came aboard as the Ducks started their stretch run to the playoffs.
  • 2009-2010: Probably the most deflating season as a fan (yes, even more than the current one). We sent more players to the Olympics than any other team, but we could never find that consistency ourselves.
  • 2010-2011: After getting off to a very slow start, the team once again needed a spectacular run to get into the playoffs.
  • 2011-2012: We don't really need to say too much about this that we haven't already.

When you consider my experience, you might understand why I've been ready for a coaching change for some time now. I might not be in the majority here, but I've always believed that we had a core of quality players that failed to consistently deliver as well as I expected. I appreciate what Carlyle was able to accomplish in Anaheim, but I'm beyond thrilled that someone with Boudreau's track record will now be leading the team. His ability to develop young players will be key as the Ducks matriculate their prospects over the next few years. Boudreau is also known as a players-coach, which will be a stark departure from the stoic, business-only attitude of Carlyle.

I cannot wait to see how Luca Sbisa and Cam Fowler react to Boudreau's new system and I'm also excited to see what Bruce does with the top-line. Will he keep them together or will he give Bobby his own line to spread his wings? If he doesn't keep them together, will be split up Carlyle's sacred duos? After years of Getz-Perry and Selanne-Koivu, I'm actually extremely curious to see what could happen if they were separated.

In closing, I love this move for two key reasons. The first of which being that the team needs its mojo back. During the press conference today, Murray said that the team appeared to have lost all confidence, and a players-only coach like Boudreau should help them recapture their pride and play with some swagger. As for the second reason, it's obvious isn't it? Jen's shirt campaign appears to have paid off. My Bobby is safe.

Star-divide

SK:

I'll admit in the last 10 hours I've hardly been able to contain myself. If you can, imagine a 12 year old girl screaming at Justin Bieber concert - that was me last night when I finally decided to check my text messages containing the various tweets that I have sent to my phone.

I won't pretend to hide the fact that I was excited about Randy Carlyle's firing. I thought for sure it would not happen, even though it seemed warranted. I definitely didn't think it would happen after a Ducks WIN no less. A win I was actually upset about because I thought it meant Carlyle bought himself another day.

When it comes down to it I have what I'd call a "GM mentality" when it comes to team sports. That is to say, I have no problem looking at the business side of things and accepting them for what they are - business. I am not one to get emotionally attached to players on a team because when I feel it's time for them to move on, I feel it's time.

A few years ago I was berated by a friend after I posted on my own blog about how I was pleased to see the JS Giguere trade take place. It's not that I was unable to see what Giguere did for the Anaheim Ducks during his time with the team, but it was that I felt it was time for the team to move on without him. I made very few apologies about that.

The same goes for Randy Carlyle. I am not at all blind to what he brought to this Ducks team. He was given great tools from both his own experience and involvement in the game, to the players at his disposal when he arrived in Anaheim. Given those remarkable assets, he did what every hockey fan dreams bringing MY team the elusive and prized Stanley Cup. For that, I will never forget his name or his tenure in Anaheim and I am beyond grateful for that.

But it was time for him to move on. It was time for a new voice to be heard and a new regime to take over in Anaheim for the benefit of the players in their prime, the veterans on the verge of retirement and the rookies starting out fresh. The business end of this deal said Carlyle's voice was no longer the loudest in the room when it counted most.

Ultimately, I feel Carlyle lost his job when he lost his team. Sure, there are plenty of arguments to suggest that Carlyle no longer had those assets and tools that made him initially successful with the Ducks, but his inability to retool his own style to adapt to such changes is disturbing as well. Perhaps that's what every coach suffers from eventually, the inability to change their own style to those around them. But that will be what defines a great coach, the ability to make a dollar out of 15 cents.

So to that, the Ducks look to find a new voice. A new man of reason. I am beyond excited about having Bruce Boudreau join the Ducks team. I think we saw great things from him while in Washington and more importantly I think he's getting just the type of fun offensive team he enjoys coaching.

Finally, I think we have to step back and thank both Joffrey Lupul (for probably the best thing he's done for this franchise) and Aaron Ward, who's sharp words may have just been the nail in the Randy Carlyle coffin.

No more dwelling on the past, it is time to move forward, Anaheim!

GO DUCKS!!!

CHRIS:
I have to start by saying that I agree with everything Daniel wrote below about Randy Carlyle. I appreciate everything he did for this franchise. I was a proponent of his contract when he signed it in the summer. I was probably one of the last Ducks fans to jump on the "Fire Carlyle Bandwagon," but nearly two full days of hysteria over a Bobby Ryan trade convinced me that this had to be done.

Given the choice between trading a 24 year old three time 30 goal scorer just to shake up the roster and firing a quality coach who brought us the Stanley Cup, I had to side with the player. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that the talent is there with this team, but it wasn't being realized. Whether that was because Carlyle couldn't adjust his system to the players that he was provided or they had tuned him out after six plus years of the same message, it became increasingly clear to me that firing Carlyle was the only option.

Trading Bobby Ryan is a sexy concept to 29 other teams, and that is why it would have been a mistake. We don't know what would have (and still could, although it's MUCH less likely now) come back in a Bobby Ryan trade, but the known entity of a 30 goal scorer in the prime of his career is something I wouldn't give up for a handful of pieces that are theoretically equivalent. It's similar to that which logic Brian Burke uses to defend the Kessel trade, but I think it works here. I can't imagine another team willing to blow the doors off of the second worst team in the league in a trade. The reason that the star players of bottom feeding teams are targeted is not because they need help. It's because they appear desperate and vulnerable to pillaging. The Ducks got fleeced for Teemu Selanne in 2001; I don't want to see that happen again.

That was a lot of ranting about something that didn't happen, though. As for the actual coaching change, I am sad to see Carlyle go, as I was with every member of the '07 team that is no longer with us. I wish him, assistant coaches Dave Farrish and Mike Foligno as well as video coordinator Joe Trotta, who also lost their jobs, the very best in the future; still, I am very excited to have Bruce Boudreau aboard.

When he was fired from Washington, I texted my friend Brett, half-jokingly, to ask if he would hire Boudreau to replace Carlyle. It seemed pretty farfetched, considering I didn't think Carlyle would be fired because of his contract. Even if he was, what are the odds of Boudreau coming here? He would certainly demand a high price, and could probably wait for the summer to have his choice of several NHL jobs. Now that he's been hired though, it seems like a perfect fit for what's been ailing the Ducks during this dismal month of November.

In the words of Bob Murray, "a new voice was needed." Naturally, after six plus years of Carlyle's stern manner, the Ducks would have to go to a players' coach like Boudreau. Just ask Aaron Ward .

The Ducks are currently 29th in the league in goals per game, they need a coach who will motivate/allow/inspire them to create more offense. Boudreau did exactly that in Washington, letting the reins off their forwards and turning them into a goal scoring machine. It backfired on him and cost him his job when he tried to pull them back in. Perhaps with a team that has been more restrained for the past six years or so, and with lessons learned, the change won't be as drastic in Anaheim, but they'll almost certainly become a more offensively minded group.

In Washington, and Hershey of the AHL before that, Boudreau cultivated the talents of young players like Mike Green, Brooks Laich, Eric Fehr, Tomas Fleichmann and David Steckel. Here he'll have the chance to do the same with Cam Fowler, Luca Sbisa, Devante Smith-Pelley, Peter Holland, Kyle Palmieri and in the future, Emerson Etem.

People think that Ovechkin made Washington a hockey town, but he was there for two full years before they started to "Rock the Red." I saw it first hand in the fall of 2007. I was in DC for an internship and the Verizon Center didn't draw flies for hockey. Looking at it today you would think it was a different building. Back then, the purple seats overwhelmed the space, after Boudreau was hired in late November it became a sea of red jerseys. He will probably not be able to bring this team to the top of the division in his first season like he did with the Caps, but there will be changes and it can't get much worse.

Boudreau has some big shoes to fill, in replacing the franchise's all-time winningest coach. We can only hope that he does it as admirably as Carlyle did in replacing Mike Babcock.

Thank you, Randy.

Welcome, Gabby.

JEN:

I shrieked when the news came across my computer screen. Here I am trying to write a game recap, worrying about Bobby Ryan and then the bomb drops. When I heard that Bruce Boudreau was fired by Washington on Monday, I thought to myself, "Damn. If the Ducks would just axe Carlyle, maybe Bruce could coach here." Right when I thought the Hockey Gods had turned on me, they give me a Ducks win and the coach I wanted. I am completely stunned. Just this morning I was telling the Backhand Shelf guys that I was a billion percent certain that Randy Carlyle wasn't going anywhere. Document this for the masses because it may not ever happen again - I am admitting I was wrong.

The Ducks needed a massive overhaul, and one that didn't include shipping out a star. I am really excited about this change. After watching Boudreau in Washington, I think the Ducks are going to be a different looking team over the next few weeks. Think about it. He had Alex Ovechkin, Alexander Semin, and Nicklas Backstrom. We have Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, and (hopefully continue to have) Bobby Ryan. To me, Boudreau is much more of an offensive focused guy. Carlyle was much more about the defense. We have some of the most prolific scorers in the NHL. It's time they are used the way they are meant to be used. My only concern is the defense. The Caps were a run up the score team for a very long while, and bristled under the reformed defensive approach of Boudreau. The Ducks have been in a defensive lock for years, and have enough veterans on the blueline to keep the stability as the team transitions.

I do want to thank Randy for coming in and using the pieces he had to win a Stanley Cup. He will forever be remembered for bringing the first Cup to California and to its rightful place - Anaheim.

DANIEL:

I'd like to start by saying this is the first time I have 100% agreed with a move that Bob Murray has made. I don't think firing Carlyle was necessarily a good decision, as much as it was the right decision. It was becoming more and more apparent that Murray was not going to get the elite defenders and defensive forwards that were needed for Carlyle's system to succeed. When the GM isn't interested in building the team in a manner that will allow the coach's system to succeed, it is the responsibility of the GM to replace that coach. That is exactly what Murray did, and it was definitely the right decision.

People will say Carlyle lost the room, but they forget that he kept Niedermayer, Pronger, and Selanne on the same page for a Cup victory. They will say he couldn't get the most out of his youth, despite winning the Cup with a second line composed entirely of rookies. Carlyle was a great coach, and there is a reason he is the winningest coach in Ducks history.

I feel sorry for Randy; he is the scapegoat for terrible moves by Murray. Of course, that's what happens in this business. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the buzz about Bobby Ryan was a smokescreen for firing Carlyle. I can't help but think that Carlyle deserved better. Those early Brian Burke constructed teams that he coached were so much fun to watch. They paid the price for everything, and made the opposition pay an even higher price. His critics will say it wasn't creative, but it was hard nosed and beautiful to watch. It might not have been electric, but it was beautiful hockey that I loved watching.

I want to thank Randy Carlyle. It was during his tenure that I gained my greatest appreciation for the nuances of the game. It was watching those post-lockout Ducks that taught me how to see more than a stat sheet. Maybe, Carlyle was coaching me and I didn't even notice. The '07 Cup Victory is an irreplaceable sports memory for me, and I have Carlyle to thank for it. I wish he could have stayed, and I wish Murray could have given him a roster full of the players he needed instead of the players that were available. Still, all things must end, and I refuse to be bitter about these losses and I refuse to have anything bad to say about him as he goes. Thank you for everything Carlyle, I hope you find success wherever you land.

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Well said Daniel. I agree 100%

There's always money in the banana stand

by MikeStewie on Nov 30, 2011 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

I’ll reuse a post I made on another forum.

Sorry Randy, I will always be grateful for 2007, but your time was past as this was clearly a very different roster to what you were used to and the franchise needed a new direction. Thank you for your time and I wish you well(except against the Ducks of course) in your future endeavors.

by pearljamfan80 on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 PM PST reply actions  

As much as I don't want to agree, I do.

Pahlsson’s major development came from Babcock. We already had three HOFers in 27, 25 and 8. We had a great goalie already, and all we needed was someone to push them to that inevitable goal. It wasn’t really rocket science.

But to Carlyle: as a kid who started to intensely follow Ducks hockey in 05, you were essentially the only coach I knew. You were great at teaching me a “game beyond the stat sheet”, as Daniel alluded to. I will always thank you for helping the Ducks win the Cup. You were a great coach, but your time ran out, and as everyone knows, a coach is hired to inevitably be fired. Good luck in the future RC.

Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!

by JuMowbray on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

We’ll never know, because Carlyle did it, not a monkey. I disagree about more with less. Fritz doesn’t do more with less; he does more with what fits. Coaches and GMs need chemistry just like players do. Murray and Carlyle didn’t have it.

More with less, like squeezing a career year out of Lydmann and Visnovsky? Winning a Cup with a line of rookies? Toppling a presidents Cup team as an 8 seed? He wasn’t in on any of that.

by Daniel AC on Nov 30, 2011 11:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Carlyle was a great coach with the right guys, and still is a great coach we just dont have those guys anymore. we’ve slowly changed from being one of the meanest gnarliest teams in the league into a faster younger and smaller team that doesnt fit in with his style of play…gonna miss the guy he did a lot for us but at least hes got a good three year severance package huh?

by J_Camp on Dec 1, 2011 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Also we need to post game threads now with way more F bombs.

by pearljamfan80 on Nov 30, 2011 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

Fuck. That reminded me that I have to finish the one about tonight’s game.

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by Jen Neale on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s going to be a real treat to see Boudreau sporting a black, orange and gold windbreaker tomorrow. Awesomeness.

Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!

by JuMowbray on Nov 30, 2011 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

Don’t feel too bad for Randy, hes still on the payroll.

by kvd123 on Nov 30, 2011 11:42 PM PST reply actions  

As someone who has been up all night for the past three nights thinking about this move, I couldn’t be happier. Now I can’t even get to sleep! So happy. Can’t wait until Getzlaf is back in form, that will be amazing to watch. Hopefully his physical game doesn’t diminish though.

Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!

by JuMowbray on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 PM PST reply actions  

Loved to see the Carlyle on the bench fired up, his passion for the game, and I am VERY thankful for everything he did for our club, but it was just his time

Im sure he will have no problem getting another job, but he did a lot for the Ducks and I do not feel that this was his fault as much as the GM and the players not performing…the players were just no longer responding to him so he had to be let go…At least we are replacing him with another BA…Boudreau goes hard

by Ramsrnumerouno on Dec 1, 2011 12:03 AM PST reply actions  

haha “the Carlyle” my bad with that typo

by Ramsrnumerouno on Dec 1, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mentioned on some post here the other day that I wished we would fire Carlyle and replace him with Boudreau. I can’t believe it actually happened! Wish we could’ve kept Foligno, but if Boudreau insisted on bringing in his own guys or if we that desperately needed a total overhaul so be it.

Thanks for helping us win that first Cup, Carlyle. As much as I bitched and complained about you, you will always be the guy who helped bring Anaheim (and California, and the West Coast) their first Stanley Cup. I’m really glad your last game was a much-needed win.

Fight on!
EMAW!

by Shackleford on Dec 1, 2011 12:45 AM PST reply actions  

When the GM isn’t interested in building the team in a manner that will allow the coach’s system to succeed, it is the responsibility of the GM to replace that coach. That is exactly what Murray did, and it was definitely the right decision.

I feel like people are reading too much into this move. Say what you want about what this move means for the Ducks, but I feel that you guys are giving Murray far more credit than he deserves. I see this as nothing more than Murray’s desperate effort to save his own job.

We need more Boyntons.
Fire Carlye & Murray!

by yankeeken on Dec 1, 2011 1:01 AM PST reply actions  

I did say Carlyle was being used as a scapegoat. I don’t think you’re wrong per se, but I do think Murray didn’t build the team to Randy’s specifications and that meant Randy was going to have to go eventually.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 6:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This move is definitely to save Murray's job

I just want to know who spoke up between Samueli or Selanne? I mean we heard it from Loops and Aaron Ward but something had to happen before Bobby gets moved.. Because if bobby was moved Murray would be gone and RC would definitely be gone.. Murray still might go

by ShamuSalami on Dec 1, 2011 9:01 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Are you serious?

You think Selanne (the guy who just publicly supported Carlyle) had more to do with this move than Murray. Jeez, give some credit where credit is due. Murray made this move. He realized the coach and the team couldn’t coincide together, and had to make a decision: trade people (read: Bobby Ryan) or move the coach. I’m sure he had to talk about it with the owners due to the whole paying two coaches thing, but I’m also sure that this was his move. If someone else was behind it then I’m sure the timing would have been different. Also yes Murray is trying to get this team to win games, which is why he was hired, so yes in that sense he is “saving his job”.

by Kevin Riach on Dec 1, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t read too much into that “the guy who just publicly supported Carlyle” stuff. Classy players are not prone to criticising their coach in public. I will make a bet that he will also support his new coach.

Carlyle needed to go and Murray is just trying to save his job after floating the idea of a big trade… finding out most people would rather see him and Carlyle gone before any of the players.

by NUboltfan on Dec 1, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

It wasn’t that Selanne didn’t criticize him in public. He went out of his way to say “he’s our guy”, that makes me think he had NOTHING to do with Carlyle being fired.

I don’t understand what you mean by the second statement. Its Murray’s job to look into trades, and if you already forgot teams were asking him about trading Ryan not the other way around. Murray had a decision to make, he weighted his options, and made the one he thought was right. Everyone here seems to agree that Carlyle is a good coach, so why wouldn’t he look at trades and try to save the guy he just resigned. The problem is Carlyle never really adapted well to an offensive style and the team was mentally weak this year. I think he made the right choice, but I also think that it was MURRAY’s choice not anyone else’s.

by Kevin Riach on Dec 1, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

My reply was not suggesting that Teemu was a part of this decision. I was merely saying that I wouldn’t make too much of his previous support. Since my post I have read that Teemu has said he is shocked… but he also said sometimes changes have to be made.
I believe that this was Murrays decision. I personally believe he made this move to try and save his own job. Once he floated the idea of trading Ryan, and saw the reaction and decided it was probably safer to get rid of the coach. Not concerned about Carlyles extension because he could be fairly certain someone else will hire him fairly soon.

by NUboltfan on Dec 1, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Caps fan here, enjoy having Boudreau as your new coach. No sarcasm here, he really is a great guy and will work wonders for your team. The only sad part here is now your rivals will only have one argument against the team — some nonsense about [f-bombs, BBQ sauce, or being fat — pick one or more]. They get tiring after a while especially since they have absolutely nothing to do with the team.

I hope he is able to revitalize the Ducks like he did with the Caps!

by TheBored on Dec 1, 2011 6:17 AM PST reply actions  

We embrace our management’s, um, quirks. See: Barstool Bob

He's fancy. He'll go glove.

by brokenyard on Dec 1, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Usually when a coach talks about “ground and pound”, s/he is referring to his/her philosophy regarding how his/her team should play. When Boudreau talks about “ground and pound” he is referring to his favorite kind of beef and how much of it he carries in his pockets at all times.

Hope you enjoy the hiring, denizens of AC.

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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2011 7:06 AM PST reply actions  

Kidding aside, judging from what he did while in DC, players that may be helped most by it are the young D. Green flourished under Boudreau when he started coaching the Caps, so if the Ducks are lucky, he can do the same thing for Fowler (yes, please) and Sbisa.

Once you take the fisting element out, it's not romantic anymore.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Question, do you think Boudreau’s the right coach for the job though? I mean, there’s no doubt that Carlyle had to go… this sort of start is inexcusable given the talent on the team. Of course, I’m sure most of the blame does fall on the players, but a coaching change seems necessary.

Still, it seems like the knocks on Boudreau while he coached the Caps were the same knocks that people had for Carlyle this season.

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by Bockerz on Dec 1, 2011 7:16 AM PST reply actions  

Absolutely. He can build up young talent, which we have a ton of, and lets offensive studs be themselves. We need RPG and Teemu to be unleashed. The four guys play better and more confidently when they’re scoring.

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by Jen Neale on Dec 1, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

good comment

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking this as well. It’s almost if the defensive game they learned from Carlyle, and the offensive game they are going to learn from Gabby. It should all work out ‘on paper’…

Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!

by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m thinking the same way but we won’t know until the playoffs where the caps struggled.. Boudreau did not have a decent goalie in DC so that is a big difference but he did have a solid checking 3rd scoring line.. So we’ll just have to see

by ShamuSalami on Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Worked well for the Caps in 07-08. They were an elite team heading into the playoffs, at least while removing Hanlon’s tenure, by almost every standard and advanced metric save PK.

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by red army line on Dec 2, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not necessarily sold on boudreau being our coach just yet. I’ll give him a few games before I make any judgements. All I know is that the guy knows how to utilize his younger players (i.e. johansson). I can only imagine how he’ll use dsp and eventually etem and holland. Also bobby and sbisa (more so than fowler) are going to be the ones stealing the show. For some reason I’m really sold on this idea.

by dkk on Dec 1, 2011 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

Jen save me some of that egg on your face…its breakfast and Im hungry lol

just playing :-)

…hopefully this all works out…or the minumum gives this and BOC somthing to talk about

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Well Earl will have to come up with something other than Fire Carlyle.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

the lack of new cartoons has been draining…

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll help out with that egg on Jen’s face. I was totally convinced Carlyle wasn’t going anywhere.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

chorizo con jeauvo for everyone!!

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You know huevo is spelled with an “h”, right?

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 3:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I am torn on my feelings here. I really did not think the Ducks would eat the extension to Caryle and thought our reality was Murray forced to make a brash trade which I was strongly opposed to. I agree that the identity of the Ducks has dramatically changed and the current make-up did not fit Randy Carlyle hockey. However- I am very fond of Carlyle for all his years of winning hockey this team has delivered. I too loved the brash physical Ducks Caryle led in the Brian Burke era. I wish RC nothing but the best and thank him for his efforts. I’m a little worried about Boudreau- I feel that our team has been lacking delivering consistent efforts and plagued by a slew of give-aways- which is what I feel was part of his Caps criticism.

by Hocky09 on Dec 1, 2011 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

Remeber guys

If Randy gets hired, the Ducks stop paying him and there is a ton of talk today that he wont be out of work for long.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember*

They really need to throw an edit on SB Nation.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

that prayer never gets answered….

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Could you imagine if McPhee (he’s too classy to do this, but..) cans Hunter and just hires Carlyle? Because honestly, that is the PERFECT team for him to coach.

Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!

by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

i hope he does go somewhere…so we dont have to pay his salary..plus he deserves it…I still heart u randy..!

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha, I still heart Randy as well. His time just ran out unfortunately..

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think most Duck fans still like Randy but that his time had come to go.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The Frasier reference in Spade’s signature is completely awesome.

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by light_the_lamp on Dec 1, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, that’s a pretty bad fit. Apart from Pahlsson that is.

Carlyle would eat Carter alive.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think its actually a pretty good fit. They have a ton of verterans, two way forwards, and a big power forward as their superstar. Add in the fact that Pahlsson and Wiz are there and you’ve got some guys he can lean on early. I don’t think it would help for this season, but next season they could be good with some moves.

by Kevin Riach on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Wiz is the reason he might not like it. That’s the guy that forced Scotty into early retirement.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Did Carlyle not like Wiz either?

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I would imagine so, considering how defensively irresponsible he is.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Carlyle was a career minus player… He was offensive minded player. He might not be as mad at Wiz as you think

by DavidBL on Dec 1, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He can't be too mad at him

He played him a lot and if I remember correctly has always had nice things to say about him. He could be frustrating for fans, but I think he was definitely a “Carlyle type of player”.

by Kevin Riach on Dec 1, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Even above all the criticisms, Bruce is going to allow our best offensive players to play their games, and not make them become something they’re not (like Carlyle did). It seems like a match made in heaven, but we’ll have to wait and see.

I still can’t wipe the grin off my face after last night’s announcement. I think I slept with it on.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

worth a try at the minumum…needed some hope for the season…it might not work…yea…but better than start trading away everyone

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. Soooo much better than trading everyone.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

very agreed. Can’t imagine giving away Bobby. or any of your youth. And DSP last night again showed he can and will be great.

by Hocky09 on Dec 1, 2011 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

Uh…..what?

Despite coaching change, Ducks still considering offers for Bobby Ryan, others. They know they’re not contenders as is.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

who wrote that?…ignore it

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It was @ChrisBottaNHL, NHL writer for the New York Times

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Teams are still calling but ANA is in a wait and see mode right now. However if someone brings a Kings Ransom (which fans wouldn’t mind) then a deal could be struck. The hiring of BB raises the “Buy Now” price of Ryan. It will take alot to move him.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

exactly….

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Bobby for Weber
Bobby for Weber
Bobby For WEBER!!!

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

im ok with that yes

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Id actually like to see what BB can do with RPG first.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m really eager to see who he will pair up for the games. I hope this hiring means no more Matt Beleskey on the top line (even though he looked good there last night).

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

its unclear exactly what hes “can” change up right away…in this short amount of time…:“must-see” tv on friday

I mean he doesnt even know what he’s got to work with yet…

the biggest diference will be the players themselves..they could be play harder I suppose

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by SPADE-IN-VICTORHELL on Dec 1, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like Teemu isn’t too happy about this.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I know eh. That’s too bad. I guess if he really doesn’t like Boudreau, then it is for sure his last season. He must’ve thought Carlyle was the right guy and it was wrong for the young guys to tune him out. I hope this Gabby experiment doesn’t fail miserably, although Stephens said they all looked to enjoy themselves at practice today, something Stephens said he hadn’t seen in a long time.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

stick with me on this….. but If memory serves me correctly….. as this Ducks team got younger they seemed to get worse under Carlyle. In heinsight I think Carlyle had a way with the vets and is why teemu is sad about him leaving…. I mean i never realized it before but as more vets and older guys left Carlyle seemed to lose his grip on the team…..sad

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. It’s sad Murray didn’t realize the importance of having good vets around.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

this is why...

we get along… i agree with all your murray hate hahaha and i agree with about 99% of everything else you say too lol

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I do hate that man. I really do. Arthur does this great impression of him. It needs to be on youtube.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahaha daniel you are really worth your money :D

you can blame Murray for everything, anybody throws out there :D

by Freakle on Dec 1, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not that I blame him; it’s that it’s his fault.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah of course, and when the team was stuffed with vets 2 years ago and there was no rookie in sight who could challenge for a spot, it was murrays fault that we had to much vets.
(don’t know if that really was you, but i remember a lively debate about that with one of the mods here ;-) )

by Freakle on Dec 2, 2011 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve pretty consistently maintained that no matter who Murray got his bargain bin approach was detrimental to Carlyle. We lost the best bridge defenseman we had in Beauchemin, and our best defensive forward in Pahlsson.

I would frequently agree with Arthur when he talked about Murray being too focused on that GP stat, but the idea there was that Murray was using GP as a gauge of veteran leadership instead of leadership and accomplishment. If you’re being sincere, then you have to see that Murray has been throwing together rosters since he unloaded Pronger. The man doesn’t have a coherent plan.

by Daniel AC on Dec 2, 2011 6:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Am I the only one....

who’s pissed that Foligno and Farrish had to go….. i liked those guys and thought they were fine

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I’m also mad about that. Foligno helped Perry last year with his ‘power-forward’ moves, and helped the PK tremendously.

But if Gabby wants to bring in his own coaching staff, then let it be. He’s already brought in Brad Lauer (Syracuse Crunch assistant coach), but he’s leaving the last spot open – for now. I’m hoping it’s Scotty or Todd Marchant that fills that role, but who really knows.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

ya...

i’m TERRIFIED that our PK is gonna fall apart

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

who cares, we are close to last in the league, if he can bring us in the playoffs, i don’t care if the PK suffers

by Freakle on Dec 1, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

with this team....

Playoffs and a suffering PK can’t work together…. its one or the other. No way the playoffs are made if we can’t keep our PK in top shape, unless we magically take less penalties for fear of being scratched like Semin hahaha

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

or we just get Hiller back in superman mode and start to produce on the powerplay again… you know.. like the past few seasons :D

by Freakle on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Produce on the PP?

Hell i’d like to produce more in general lol ….. this team has too much offensive talent to avg less thann 3 gpg

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m more bummed about Foligno.

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by Jen Neale on Dec 1, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

i loved him....

and I think out of everyone he deserved to stay the most

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

There is this video and this video of Bruce’s first practice with the Ducks. Around the :30 second mark in clip 1 is when he drops his first F-bomb!

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Two Twitter notes...

Per Eric Stephens…

Murray said Boudreau’s contract is for two years.

And per Nick Kypreos of Sportsnet Ontario…

#Ducks GM Bob Murray has assured Bobby Ryan he is off #NHL trading market today. Also told Ryan’s desire to be moved is no longer an issue.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

I’m going to call this a win for me. Looks like trade rumors were a smokescreen. Makes me sad though.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Ryan desired to be moved?

by CoachZ on Dec 1, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

i was wondering that too....

was it because he got dropped to the third line?

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Ryan has always sort of disliked Carlyle’s teaching methods. Ryan was also a good friend of Joffrey Lupul and Ryan Whitney, and, well, you know how they felt about RC.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...

so it probably dates back to Ryan getting put up and down from Syracuse so much back in the day…. and Lupul….god what a horrific influence

by Riley Popp on Dec 1, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding. Pretty glad Joffrey is gone, even if it was for a prototypical Carlyle player. Speaking of which, it’ll be interesting to see how Gabby uses “Carlyle players” like Brookbank, Parros, Beauchemin and Jacques.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I miss Lupul, he was great when he got back from Philly. I meant it’s sad that Bobby Ryan won’t be going anywhere now.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

In some ways I think he did, just because he really disliked Carlyle. But now with RC out of the picture, Bobby goes nowhere..

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Bobby's comments to the media

seem to reinforce that he and Carlyle weren’t terribly close, unlike the others on the team.

As for the “desire to be moved” thing, is this still a relic of the Burke years when Bobby did ask to be traded? When he signed the five-year extension, he sure sounded like he wanted to be here long-term.

by PhantomPretender on Dec 1, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome picture from practice earlier today snapped by the Ducks official Twitter account. MVPerry with his new coach.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 12:45 PM PST reply actions  

Biggest Thing I'll Miss

Is not so much Carlyle but the brand of hockey we used to play his first few years here. Remember the team with loads of Speed, Skill and Toughness? Those were the days…I hope Boudreau has that in him, but somehow I doubt it. We’ll see…

by CoachZ on Dec 1, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

+1

I’ll miss the grinding, hitting and completely bashing in other players skulls. The Moens, Thorntons, Niedermayers, Prongers, Pahlssons and a thing of the past now, for certain. At least we have the memories though (and copies of the Stanley Cup DVD).

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that mainly because that’s not Murray’s style it was Burke’s?

by CoachZ on Dec 1, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d say it was co-authored by both Burke and Carlyle, but when Murray started to have a heavier influence, he changed the team into what he wanted. For example, I’ll never forget that 09 Trade Deadline when he traded away both Pahlsson and Moen for essentially scraps (due to the fact that Wisniewski was terrible here).

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

or maybe it was the fakt that both demanded bigger contracts that the ducks could not afford.

same goes for Pronger.

And besides Daniels wild theory that the trade for Wiz caused Niedermayers retirement, you can’t blame him for that.

Please we payed for the cup in the past, and we are still paying for it. just relax we get there, this season (like last season, who lucked out pretty good) are the offseasons our team has to take to challenge for the cup in 2 years.

i think murray did a great job of somehow keeping us competetiv.

BUT if he doesn’t can spend against the cap next season, when all those heavy contracts are off the books, some of our scoring ducklings should be ready, and after the new CBA went out, i will definitely join Daniel on the Murray hate train

by Freakle on Dec 1, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s like you didn’t see how exasperated Niedermayer was playing with Wisniewski. It’s not a wild theory. It’s a plausible conclusion based on the absolutely awful way Wiz played here Niedermayer’s last year.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

yepp, but Niedermayer is a professional.
maybe one of the best professional hockey players you ever will see.
I think it’s unfair to think that he retired end ended his career just because he had to play with Wisniewski.

by Freakle on Dec 2, 2011 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t. Wiz was ruining Scotty’s on ice performance. He got Nieds so paranoid that Scotty started making mistakes that he never used to. I think Wiz convinced Scotty that he was playing worse than he really was. Wiz was so awful, he convinced Niedermayer that he had lost it.

by Daniel AC on Dec 2, 2011 6:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This thought just came across my mind.

Terry Murray is on the hot-seat in LA. Say the Kings continue to perform poorly in the next few weeks and Lombardi fires Murray.

Could you imagine if they hired Carlyle? Holy. I think we would become rivals with the Kings then…

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe. Could you imagine if he coached them to a deep run in the playoffs?

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

That would f*cking suck. On top of that, Carlyle would coach Brown and Richards into the wrecking machines they are. And Westgarth would become the new Georgie.

We would get bullied by that team, no doubt.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Right?! Plus, what would all the people who think Carlyle can’t coach do?

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol, probably blame Murray for not putting the right pieces around the Big 4. If that happened, it would really become clear how poorly Murray manages the Ducks.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

We all knew he could coach, but he just didn’t fit anymore. Well anyway.. I would probably cry if he went to the kings because we all know he would make the team a force.

by dkk on Dec 1, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I think most of us do, but there were some sentiments early on that I felt were kind of kicking the man while he was down. I wasn’t with that, you know.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that right after the shock wore off on the Carlyle firing, Boudreau hiring. I thought where could Randy go…LA!

by CoachZ on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha, if Carlyle really, truly wants to stick it to Barstool Bob, he would wait out a chance to coach in LA so he could kick the Ducks asses.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If Carlyle went to the kings they would go deep and win a cup in a year or two.. I’ll guarantee that.. Their defense is so strong.. That’s what he said

by ShamuSalami on Dec 1, 2011 3:56 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Don't the Kings already have a defense-first system and coach?

I’m not sure that Carlyle represents a huge departure from Terry Murray.

by PhantomPretender on Dec 1, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not exactly sure how Terry Murray coaches, but I definitely think they would benefit from having Carlyle. With everything I know about Randy, his system, attitude and mantra as a coach, what he does would definitely fly in the Kings locker-room. I think it would be a perfect fit, especially with the kind of centre depth and defensive corps they have. RC would undoubtedly spark that team in a great way.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

doubt it would be LA.

As I said on Jen’s most recent post: Hi! I’m new here!

I can’t see that happening at all. Having watched a few Kings games, I think Murray and Carlyle are kinda of the same mind in terms of philosophy, except that Murray seems to let his offense flow a little more than Carlyle does. If he goes anywhere this season it will most likely be back east somewhere. I think he, like Bruce, needs a fresh start. Maybe the Islanders (who are always on the verge of firing someone it seems) would take him? Watching what he did with RPG (and others) I think he could do a wonderful job with the young talent they have there. (also: just looked up their roster and REALLY??? Staios is still in the league?!?!? I thought he was done a couple years ago)

by alex.loop on Dec 1, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Who voted Bad Idea on the Poll?

Can someone who did explain why? It’d be cool to see a different perspective from another Ducks fan regarding the Gabby/Randy swap.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Most likely Sharks or Kings fans.

by Newport Rebel on Dec 1, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

TSN That's Hockey

Interesting to see that when the panel (Gino Reda, Pierre LeBrun & Jamie McLennan) was discussing the Boudreau hire and the Carlyle fire, Perry and Getzlaf both had different answers as to why Carlyle was fired.

According to @GinoRedaTSN, Perry said:

Maybe it was time for a change, maybe we needed a new voice

While LeBrun said that when he spoke to Getzlaf earlier in the day, Ryan said that he “takes full responsibility for the effort shown” that ended up in the Carlyle firing, and that he will “learn to live with it”.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Some interesting thoughts from Scotty Bowman on SI… basically sounds like some of the things a lot of people have been saying on here for a long time

"Carlyle, I don’t understand. He was a big matcher. He always had a defensive line. The year they won the Cup (2007), it was Sami Pahlsson, Travis Moen and Robbie Niedermayer. He changed on the fly (to get them out against their opponent’s best forwards) and they played a very disciplined game." But those three players are all gone now, the Ducks defense corps is not what it was, and Carlyle seemed to have taken a different approach by playing his best forwards in situations where he previously used checkers.

"I’ve been watching them the last month and a half," Bowman said. "The goalie wasn’t what he was, but their defense corps is horrible. And Perry, Getzlaf, and Ryan, they weren’t good in their own end. I know he didn’t have a checking line anymore because all those guys are gone. You know when you get star players, you can’t ever get them thinking that you want them to fail. You got to make them believe you’re always in their corner, you’re always trying to insulate them. I don’t know what he was doing."

He also seemed to be a pretty big fan of Boudreau, said that the Caps were basically overrated on an team level as they play in a weak division, that the players weren’t listening to the coach before him and his big mistake was trying to change his style to be more defensive whereas he should have just stayed with the style he had success with.

by bhlloy on Dec 1, 2011 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, thanks for quoting that bhlloy.

Definitely seems like he needed to adjust his system and attitude to compliment the strengths of our offensive based team. And if that is Bowman’s analysis, I’d venture to say even he would think that we needed an offensive-based coach who is also a players coach.

I guess Bob made the right move…

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Im sure he did make the wrong move, but I can’t help but feel Carlyle is the victim of Murray’s lack of vision. Murray kept trying to patch together the Cup team. He seemed to think the same core could get there as long as there was a halfway decent cast around them. I think holding onto Carlyle is indicative of that thought processes.

This is it for Murray. He won’t be able to hide behind Burke’s wok anymore. As of now, this is his team. I’m intrigued to see what happens.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 7:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry. Meant didn’t make the wrong move.

by Daniel AC on Dec 1, 2011 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Were you the one who said the other day that, “For every GM, there’s a Head Coach that matches”? Because I think that sums it up pretty perfectly.

Murray and Carlyle aren’t compatible because they don’t share the same vision. I think Boudreau and Murray share the same vision, while Burke and Carlyle share the same vision. If I had to choose what duo I could have, I would obviously choose Burke and Carlyle, but I guess we are left with Boudreau and Murray, which still isn’t bad at all.

I also think Murray is incapable of putting together a good NHL team. He does less, because I think he is afraid of messing up completely. The Beauchemin trade is about as good of an indication of what Murray is able to do with good assets, and that’s lessen this team’s skill. He messed his previous ‘big’ trade (Pronger deal), so he went out and got a guy that he thought would work with Carlyle and the system he had in place.

In the end, I guess Murray is still incapable of being a good GM, but that glaring flaw will be hid (by Boudreau’s coaching ability mostly) for the next two years. I’d still love to have Burke and Carlyle over anyone, but that’s just not how it works. We’ll just have to live with it I guess.

I’m happy we have Boudreau, and I hope he brings us success – and Haagen Daz marketing deals.

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by JuMowbray on Dec 1, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

can you explain to me why that pronger deal was THAT bad that we still need to talk about it?

we were a team desperate to move him, because we weren’t able to resign him.
i think the return was ok … not world shattering, but ok given our situation.

and what about that vision crap?
the Ducks are a team with an internal cap and a small market in the middle of a rebuilt.
how could murray get carlyle those assets you all belief he needs… which is what? a shutdown forward line and a top tier shutdown d-pair.
how on earth should that be possible to aquire without giving up the RPG line, or our 1st round picks of the next ten years.
you can’t just go out there and grab yourself some #1 defensemen, this isn’t a video game.

And for our cup team and one of the greatest shutdown forward lines that ever hit the ice…. remember, they still were our 3rd (!!) line.
we had the luxury of making up a 2nd line we all dream of with some pretty good rookies.

So yes, of course i would love to get a 3rd line out of laich, dupuis and pahlsson, paired with a defensiv pairing of suter-weber.

but there is just no way we will get those players. you can’t blame murray for that.

and by the way, i haven’t even mentioned that NONE of those players were ever attrackted to play in Anaheim. I think this is another huge part in signing FAs. They need to want to play in Anaheim, if they don’t you can’t bring them in without heeeeeavily overpaying.

by Freakle on Dec 2, 2011 2:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say the Pronger trade was bad, but it certainly lacked creativity. He essentially got what the Ducks paid for him.

You can scale back the hyperbole a little bit a good defensive forward can probably be had for a 2-3 round pick. Maybe a fourth if you’re savvy. It could also be a surplus forward prospect, which we have. As for an elite defenseman, well, look at the Pronger price. Maybe if he had re-signed Beauchemin instead of paying more for Boynton, Wiz and Eminger, we could have flipped Lupul, Gardiner and a pair of first into Phaneuf or Weber.

The internal budget is only a problem when you aren’t properly managing assets. You have to mix vets with youth. Not have one or the other. Instead of making daring, creative deals. Murray looks for the easy deal. I think the Lubo trade is an example of that.

When you have to overpay for FAs, you have to be a better trader. Murray hasn’t shown that He is.

by Daniel AC on Dec 2, 2011 7:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Proger trade...

… was damn sure better than the Kunitz deal, imo. I still can’t believe we traded him for Ryan Whitney. What the hell were we thinking. At least we managed to ship him out for Lubo. THEN there was the Andy Sutton debacle…. what the hell were we thinking when we signed him?!?!?! My god! At least we got Foster for him…. oh wait that hasn’t really panned out all that well has it.

by alex.loop on Dec 2, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly.

by Daniel AC on Dec 2, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If anyone is interested, this link provides insight from Teemu, Getzlaf, Bobby and Gordy about both the Carlyle departure and the Boudreau hire.

Also, just note how when you go from Teemu to Ryan to Bobby, you’ll see how much different each of their opinions of RC are.

Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!

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