Ryan's Last Second Heroics Push Ducks Over Kings 3-2
We needed this.
We needed a last second victory. We needed to get Bruce Boudreau his first win with Anaheim. We needed a goal that only Bobby Ryan could bring. We needed to finally get the bounces going our way. We needed Jonas Hiller to steal a game. We needed to come back after a game changing moment just to prove to ourselves (and everyone else) that we could do it.
The fact that a game like this came against the Kings makes it that much sweeter.
GOOD
-- SERIOUSLY?! This time last week, 98% of us were freaking out that Bobby Ryan was going to be traded. I know he is an incredibly streaky scorer, but come on, nights like this Bob Murray has to be reminded as to why everyone wanted him. His versatility is what helps to make him an incredible player. I LOVE him with Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu. They clicked right away, and are really fun to watch. I didn't think this could happen but his addition to the line seemed to make Selanne amp up his game even more. Teemu was far more aggressive than we're used to, and was set up for seven shots on goal with the boys.
-- How Jonas Hiller wasn't the second Star of the Night, I have no clue. That honor went to Francois Beauchemin (with Drew Doughty at #3 and Ryan at #1) who I agree had a great night, but Hiller saved the Ducks tailfeathers on more than one occasion throughout the game. Jonas saved 37 of 39 shots, a majority of which came during the Kings onslaught during the beginning half of the 3rd period. Maybe Jonas should speakout more often like he did after the loss to Minnesota. He was focused and his defense helped him out more.
-- The Ducks have played as close to a 60 minute hockey game as they have all season. I think they were around a 45 minute game tonight. I don't know if this is attributed to the team finally catching on to Coach Boudreau's system or a confidence boost, but it sure is fun to watch.
-- Hey! Two goal lead followed by two unanswered goals seemed like the same story. I won't lie, I thought we were screwed. Then we ended up winning! Not only did that give confidence to the players, that gave some confidence to the fans - not a lot - but some.
-- Finally, I am all for freedom of expression and freedom of religion. Those that have been to Honda Center lately probably have seen people holding signs outside the arena with various biblical sayings. No big deal. As I was walking to meet my dad, one of the sign holders yelled, "Have you found your Lord and Savior?" To which another person a couple feet away yelled back, "Yes and he's in Denver! Haven't you heard?!" I thought that was pretty funny.
BAD
-- I've been saying this all along, I really like Matt Beleskey. He's a really good energy guy and a pest; however, he no longer belongs on a line with Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry - ever. With Ryan moved down to the second line, the Twins need a puck-handler at wing. Beleskey showed multiple times tonight that he cannot handle hard passes or long distance rushes in with the puck. Nicklas Hagman was a good replacement for him. Hagman can fly, throw the body, and most importantly, handle the puck while Getz and Pears set up.
-- Didn't think Cam Fowler had his strongest game. His turnover lead directly to the game tying goal. I felt that he was second guessing himself on the ice. He seemed hesitant and at times, a little lost.
-- Don't think this is a good sign for Commissioner (Andrew) Gordon - he was a healthy scratch tonight. Most of you already know that he was unable to crack Boudreau's roster in Washington, so read as into it as you'd like. I am hoping there isn't a flight to Syracuse in his near future.
UGLY
-- The spotlight on MVPerry continues to be somewhat unwanted one. We've discussed before that he is getting even more attention from teams, and much of it is by way of more physical play. Tonight was no different when former teammate (and chief doughnut inspector) Dustin Penner crosschecked Perry to the ice, and then continued to press on Corey's back. Perry was down for a couple minutes. Eventually he was helped off the ice and headed straight to the locker room. Luckily he came back to the bench a couple minutes later, but I can tell you I got a little nauseous at the site of him hunched over like that. To have a player of his caliber disrespected in such a manner should have caused the Ducks to respond. It's Penner. George Parros (or even JF Jacques) could take him. The only thing our enforcing tandem would have to worry about is Dustin sitting on them, thereby crushing their skeletons.
-- I'm sure most Kings fans aren't like this, but the ones released from the asylum tonight had been off their medicine entirely too long. Interrupting the anthem is not classy. Yelling "Rogain!" every time Getzlaf touches the puck is soooo 2009. During the announcement of the three stars, when the arena is dark, launching a half filled beer from the 400 level down to the 200 level, a row or two up from the ice, where kids are is obscene.
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There was an obnoxious Kings fan (or 30) in and around my section. He was one of those guys who’s clapping at every little thing makes you want to punch him in the throat. Anyway, sometimes I just want the Ducks to win to shut douchebags like that up.
Your Fowler observation has been my assessment of the guy all season thus far. I tend to be pretty critical of those falling on my “favorable” list however.
I’ll mention this a million times, but I’m not a fan of the fighting in hockey…especially set ups after a face off, but I take exception when I see my star player balled up on the ice like that. I wouldn’t have minded seeing someone punished with a few fists for that.
Oh- and Koivu – Selanne were our best players there for a while…and I agree, they’re miles better, as is Bobby, with his addition to their line. Question is…where will Blake fall upon his return?
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by SK eleven on Dec 7, 2011 7:52 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Somewhere down the depth chart. Which is sad, because it might cost us a Hagman or a DSP. Maybe Murray will be able to move him.
It’s funny because if Carlyle was still around I’d say he play on line “whatever” and after a crappy period or a loss, he’d be slotted right back onto that second line ASAP.
Ahhh, the unknowns of BB! So exciting! :)
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by SK eleven on Dec 7, 2011 8:13 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I will say that if we find a way to move him, it’ll be a little disappointing. How could you not move Blake over the summer? I’m just saying…
Disagree
Obviously circumstances have changed since the summer for both the Ducks and any suitors Murray might be able to find. The Ducks thought they would be a playoff bound team with a coach who leans on his veterans and played the guy a lot more than most would. Now Carlyle is gone and Ducks have added pieces (Hagman, DSP, Bonino possibly) and are no longer fighting for a playoff spot. Like wise teams who thought they had the right guys are now thinking they could use a veteran winger who can be a utility guy. Would I be surprised if he got moved? For the first time since Blake coming here, I would say no. I actually expect it. Look at what happened with Lupul last year?
Teams that are looking for a veteran winger will look for someone with a friendlier cap hit than Blakes. Read my lips: HE HAS NO TRADE VALUE TO ANYONE. The only way he goes is if we exchange bad contracts with someone. Why the hell would we do that when his contract expires after the season? Lupul is 10 years younger. No comparison other than similar cap hit.
Giving up 22 shots in the 3rd is abysmal. Ducks can’t depend on Hiller every night to stop as much as he did.
Might have been less if he wasn’t leaving big fat rebounds everywhere. I get he’s upset and all…but guys gotta point some fingers in his own face too.
But, I do agree…they can’t put so much pressure on him like that either. 2-way street for sure.
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by SK eleven on Dec 7, 2011 9:41 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Controlling rebounds isnt exactly easy to do sometimes, alot of it depends on where the team is shooting at you, if there going low its hard to control off your pads, your best bet is actually to try and kick your leg in the direction you want the puck to force a bigger rebound so it goes off the side close to the boards rather then closer in front of the net. Im not defending him, just giving an example. I do agree some of his he could control better, but some you can’t. I think a lot of teams know his style by now and shoot low on him to force thos uncontrolled rebounds for easy tap ins or dirty goals. Just my opinion.
by Hockey Phreak on Dec 7, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Considering all of the things you just mentioned Hiller still gives up too many rebounds. He seems like he’s late to make most saves. Part of it is the way he plays though. He likes to make that dramatic athletic save.
It wasn’t hard for Quick at the other end to handle rebounds, he was either completely swallowing the puck up or putting the rebound in a place where he had defenders, unlike Hiller who usually kicks it wildly into the slot.
Quick might be the most athletic goaltender in the league though. He has a slightly better defense in front of him as well.
Also, it can be hard to kick the rebound to the D when you don’t always know where they’ll be. As many tough saves as they ask Hiller to make, maybe they should be glad there are so many rebounds.
by Daniel AC on Dec 7, 2011 1:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
or if the D can’t corral a rebound to save there life. I’ve seen plenty of times where Ducks defenseman can’t handle the puck in front of Hiller and it leads to turnovers.
Quick had an easier time controlling and swallowing the puck cause we where shooting the puck high, its easier to control a puck off the chest or the blocker then it is off the leg pads. Thats all im saying. And the point about knowing where your defesnse is going to be is true also, alot easier to be confortable making the rebound go a certin place if you know your D will pick it up, our D isnt reliable enough for him to do that so he needs to make the big rebounds to the boards and out of play as much as he can.
by Hockey Phreak on Dec 7, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Part of a Goalie’s job is to know where his D are at all times, the Goalie should always be communicating with his defenders, learning their tendencies and he should always be aware of his surroundings. The reason other teams shoot the puck in to Hiller’s pads so often is because the book is out on him, other teams know about his tendency to give big rebounds. I agree our D has been spotty at best and they need to improve but the same responsibility is on Jonas’ shoulders, he needs to be better with his rebounds and if you can’t see that you’re blind.
Im not disagreeing that he needs to be better with his rebounds, im saying he needs to give big rebounds to the boards and farther out because our Defense is lacking so much and they have a hard time clearing the crease. I agree he could try to angle them back so the rebounds go behind the goal line off in the corner, but sometimes thats easier said then done.
by Hockey Phreak on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, I also want to say that’s one of the best overall games we’ve played in a long time. Bobby was the recipient of some good bounces, and I’ll take that. D lapsed again, but they recovered, and I think that’s the big key moving forward. Bruce has to get these guys to keep a positive attitude and moving forward. Otherwise the team won’t recover.
Few game observations:
1. Honda Center is a barn not an NHL caliber arena. The ice is very bad, all those bounces of the boards and glass, especially the one that led to the 2nd goal. Thats ridiculous.
2. Penner is a fcuking Ahole! On a replay it looked like his intention was to brake Perrys back or at least to make him not finish the game. Jacques or Parros should have taken care of him afterwards.
3. Even if the puck bounce of the glass was totally unpredictable, Fowler totally lost his guy in front of the crease. Instead of taking care of the Kings forward behind his back he was staring at the Kings forward with the puck who was already covered by the other Ducks defender.
4. Finns and Ryan looked very fine. Bruce shuld try Coglino on the top line.
NO!!! You’re going to ruin my campaign to get DSP on the top line. That’s who needs to be there. Say it with me
DEVO
DEVO
DEVO!!!!
Completely agree with you Daniel. DSP is looking insane right now, his confidence is sky-high and now is the perfect time to get him playing with the twins. I also am a little bummed that Bonino got the call up instead of Holland. At the very least I think a DSP-Cogliano-Holland 3rd line would be a nice experiment.
I dunno. I kinda liked Hagman, Cogs, DSP line. Beleskey instead of Hagman seemed to work too. So maybe Hagman up there with the big boys to kinda get them going might be nice too…
Personally, I’ve loved Hagman since he got here. He’s been great depth go us and it’s, hopefully, only a matter of time until he gets going on the score sheet.
However, ibalso see the xncerns about Beleskey. His touch doesn’t seem to be at a high enough level to work with the twins. He’s getting chances and points, but he’s also hitting a lot of chin pads with shots an passes. I don’t know. I think either combination works, but I also think DSP on the top line will yield the greatest overall impact.
by Daniel AC on Dec 7, 2011 11:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He’s got to learn eventually. If he can’t keep up, bump him back down. But, O think he’s at least earned a shot.
by Daniel AC on Dec 7, 2011 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I think he’s earned a shot (more so that Beleskey did) but I also think it ruins the great depth this team is getting right now. I’ve loved that Hagman-Cogs-DSP line for the past 3 games and would hate to see it get broken up. I agree Matt isn’t the answer of the top line, but I don’t splitting up the 3rd is the answer either. Maybe pulling someone else up (bonino, McMillan, Holland) would help? I think they are probably going to put Beleskey on the 4th, scratch JFJ, move Cogliano up to the “1st” and put Bonino in the center on the 3rd.
You think holland could play a wing spot for now? Its been done before…
by BennyLightning on Dec 7, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think he can but I also think he shouldn’t. The kid needs to be the second line center of the future. Let him play there. He looks good in the middle.
Kevin, I agree about depth, but I also think that Hagman and Cogs could make something happen with another player, maybe even Blake of we don’t move him. I just think the extra production from the top line would be worth it.
by Daniel AC on Dec 7, 2011 3:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Do I think he could do it? Maybe, thats a lot of minutes for a young guy. I think it’s better to play him as a 3rd line center and let him move up from there. To Daniel, I think Cogs and Blake is a bad idea. Cogliano needs slightly better talent than Blake. Cogs isn’t Selanne, he’s Koivu. He needs a Selanne to be effective. I still think having him and Ryan on the same line would be explosive. They have shown such good chemistry in what little time they’ve been on the ice together. Maybe something like:
Hagman-Getzlaf-Perry
Beleskey-Koivu-Selanne
DSP-Cogs-Ryan
Now THAT is a scary match up for any team’s forwards. I don’t know how you stop all 3 of these.
Switch Hagman and DSP and I’ll agree with you. I think Hagman and DSP are partially interchangeable, but I also think that DSP is an investment in the future. I think it makes more sense to give top line minutes to a player who is going to be a part of the core going forward than a veteran who might not be here next year.
I hope Hagman returns
He is a great team player, and I really love the energy and type of game he brings every night. I think expecting DSP to play close to 20min a night is ridiculous. I also think that DSP doesn’t have the best hands right now. I think as he develops he will continue to get better at that, but right now I think he is worse than Beleskey in that area. He needs time to develop into that core player. I think Hagman provides grit, good-not-great hands and experience that DSP doesn’t yet. There is no doubt he will be able to do all those things and more, but he hasn’t shown me yet that he is ready for that type of responsibility. In all honesty Hagman reminds me a lot Kunitz for some reason.
I think Devo is one of those players who finds a way to get things done. If the Ducks increase the burden, I’m pretty confident he’ll meet the demand. I don’t see the harm in a season that’s on the brink. If it gets the top line going and the wins coming, it’s a good idea in my book.
sorry maybe i misunderstood your comment about calling someone up (bonino, mcmillian or holland). i assumed you meant to play wing to getzlaf and perry.
Im leaning towards Daniels argument to play dsp up there, mostly because i feel hte season is shot and i want to see what the kid is made of. Plus dont forget he has played top line minutes in junior, so the toi isnt foreign just the talent level. Maybe he is an interchangeable part with someone else and can play half the game there, and half somewhere else?
Its my personal feel that hes a career 3rd liner, but lets test him out
As to your comment below about hoping to keep hagman, i agree. im rapidly loving that. however i think that he might not have a spot next year (4th line maybe) …assuming some of the crunch kids have full time roles.
by BennyLightning on Dec 7, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
They play a lot less games in junior so yes I’m sure he can handle the minutes for a stretch of games but over an entire NHL season he might start to wear down, remember his style of play means hard minutes and he’s now taking punishment from grown men and not growing kids.
I’m sure they could find a way to keep his minutes down. Like if they took him off PK for that game, and threw Bobby with the Twins at end of periods, they probably could keep him minutes in the 15 minute range. I also think BB switches things up during the game so if he thinks a guy is tired, he replaces a player for a shift.
DSP currently averages 10:51 a game. You’re essentially asking him to play twice as much against the opposing teams top defensive line… ALL GAME! No pressure or anything. I’d give Hagman a longer look. He plays just as hard, has much more polish, and he can dig pucks out of corners, forecheck, backcheck, and score better than Smith Pelly. Neither option is a bad idea but I believe in making rookies earn their chances and as well as DSP has played, its only been 20 something games. He already gets 2nd unit PP time. Ease him in slowly. Dont throw him into the deep end like they have with Cam Fowler and give him top 20 NHL minutes. Just my opinion.
I noticed the same thing about Cam. He should have stopped his man from scoring. On the replay it looked like he barely did anything to stop the pass from going right in front of him
In all honesty
Thats a really tough play (especially for a guy in his sophomore year) to make. That puck takes a weird bounce everyone is trying to recover. I think the problem was Beauchemin falls to the ice as Cam is playing his forward, he turns to the puck handler assuming Beauchemin doesn’t get up in time, then has to turn back to his man. Rather than playing the man, Cam decides he doesn’t have the time to find him and make the play, and so he plays the pass instead. Not a bad choice but you gotta get a stick on that pass if thats your plan. He didn’t and it resulted in a goal.
Nothing is easy in the NHL. Even if Beuch lay on the ice and it resulted in 2 on 1 then Cam had to take the guy without a puck and let Hiller deal with the puck handler. That decision should not take even a split second to make. Cam didnt grasp that to the end of that play. I mean I am his big fan and he has a great future, but this whole play nicely illustrates why hes got such a low +/-… This is also why I wouldnt yet play DSP and chose a more experienced winger with the twins on the 1st line. But sure, Daniel AC will never agree to this.
no, because its a pretty weak argument to not play DSP on the first line, because Fowler made a minor mistake after a really unlucky bounce.
In fact thats no statement, thats BS.
All I wanted to say is that young players are prone to mistakes. DSP is not ready to handle neither physically nor mentally. I might be wrong but odds are against him just because of his age and experience.
Younger players have done it. Let’s at least give him a couple of games before we decide. Not that it out decision.
by Daniel AC on Dec 8, 2011 9:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Parros
Parros couldn’t fight tonight because the stadium was what? 75% kings fans over ducks… The momentum would shift so quick
Theres something I don’t get with Ducks fans.. Why don’t they like rowdy crowds? LA, SJ, CHI, PHI, BOS.. This is what makes the games fun… Or maybe it’s me.. I like Dodger games over Angels and I like Kings games over Ducks (even though I’m more of a ducks fan) for the atmosphere.. Is it the OC bubble?
by ShamuSalami on Dec 7, 2011 10:07 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I really think its a momentum thing right now. The beginning of the season game against the Sharks was a rocking building of Ducks fans. But…back then the fans were excited and had something to be proud of. It’ll take some time, but I think a lot of fans are fearful to get too excited or get their hopes up. They gotta give fans something to cheer about first, but that energy will find its way back.
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by SK eleven on Dec 7, 2011 11:12 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t know about that. The Honda Center has always seemed much more quiet than other arenas. And it has been stated that some Ducks fans just want to enjoy the game, and don’t like it if it gets rowdy.
Remember, amateurs built the ark • Professionals built the Titanic
The arena was rocking late in 06, all of 07, and most of 08. Its been shitty ever since other than a game or two here and there. We used to chant lets go ducks NON STOP. Now we chant to try and drown out the chanting for other teams. Granted the hard checking game we used to play coupled with the numerous scrums and fights definitely helped but whoever runs the music now and got rid of the organ needs to be fired. Its seriously night and day from a few seasons ago.
agreed
I know that I do my part, but it’s hard to reply to the opposing fans when they say Ducks suck and … yeah they do, but they are my team. Sections of the the 400 level can get the cheer going, but I’ve had the opportunity to sit in the 300 section once and it was as quiet as a library. I don’t know how many fans actually particpate there.
The guy going around and throwing Duck’s shirts does a good job at getting the fan base going, but I think there should be a coordinated attack at both ends of the rink.
It seems to me that the Ducks fans in the Honda Center have always been a bit more relaxed. At first it was kind of a downer for me, but the older I get the more perfectly fine I am to just sit and sip my beer and boo/cheer when appropriate. I’d rather talk with my friends about the game then scream at randoms and go ballistic at details. I also LOVE going to baseball games just for that atmosphere, so that may explain that.
It’s fun to talk trash to opposing fans as long as no one’s being a jerk or if it gets violent. But overall I think I’d agree that most fans in the Honda Center are perfectly content to not get too rowdy. Personally I’m fine with that.
Lot’s of people on this board have brought up that a lot of the cities where fans get CRAZY are also places where the options to do other activities can often be limited, especially by the weather. We’ve got other things we can do and concentrate on.
That all stops the moment the playoffs start of course. Then there’s no excuse for not being loud. =D
Top Line
Said it in the other post, but I’ll say it again here.
For me the top line is Koivu, Selanne and whoever they line up with whether Bobby or Beleskey or Cogliano. Getz and Pears are the 2nd line. We should just call it like it is, the old/smaller guys are outplaying the big boys. That’s both great (for now) and sad (for the future) at the same time.
I used to make it to warm ups before the game a lot last season and haven’t been as lucky this year. Anyway, while there, I used to notice when they’d do the line rush drill that the Koivu-Selanne-Blake line always went first. Then RPG and the 3rd and 4th to follow. I’ve been considering it that way in my own head for a while now.
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by SK eleven on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions

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