Appalled by OTF
This is something that's been building throughout this series, but Dirk Hoag's front-page post about Ruutu's suspension is pretty much the breaking point for me:
The NHL has handed down a one game suspension to Anaheim Thugs forward Jarkko Ruutu, for his late hit on Martin Erat, which knocked Erat out of the game and will keep him out of tomorrow's Game 5 with an upper body injury, as reported by Bryan Mullen of The Tennessean.
Between front-paging fanposts with a childish Corey Perry compilation and posting a diving picture in yesterday's game thread, I've completely lost all respect for them as an SB Nation blog.
But what really irks me about On The Forecheck is the amount of red meat they rely on. If you're not familiar with the term, it's an often-used political term that refers to issues or positions that exist primarily to fire-up the base. As a modern example, the birther issue could be considered red meat.
It strikes me as trite, and perhaps even lackadaisical, to run a team blog in this way. After all, if it's a team blog, why do you have to go out of your way to fire-up your base? It pisses me off when the OC Register does it. Shouldn't your readership be inherently interested and passionate about your team in the first place? Why on earth do you have to result to cheap thrills like calling us the "Anaheim thugs" on your front page? I understand it's one thing if it's coming from your community. But when it comes from your managing editor, it's another thing completely.
This is nothing more than a rant from me. I'm just, disappointed, I guess. I feel like we do such a great job here of providing meaningful, critical commentary that isn't what you'd expect to find on a team's message board. It just doesn't feel like the kind of thing we should be seeing from the SB Nation Nashville rep. And I'm sort of ashamed for them.
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It’s nothing to get bent out of shape over. It’s kind of the nature of hegemony. Nashville fans want to show they understand hockey, by piling onto the misconceptions that the rest of the league has about our team. The fact of the matter is that we are a team that nobody wants to see succeed. As such, there will always be posts like that at OTF. No point in worrying about it; they need hits like the rest of us.
It just seems like a cheap way to get clicks
I guess it’s because I take my desire to provide interesting content too seriously. The next time I can’t come up with a topic for a post, maybe I should consider the easy road.
by PhantomPretender on Apr 21, 2011 5:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Im with you Robby.
When the playoffs started I was really interested to see the “other” point of view and expected OtF to be similar to AC. By game three I had really stopped caring about the opinions of not only the comments but the writers as well. At this point they are only good for laughs and not much else. I will say that there have been a few reasonable Nashville fans that have come over here to talk and have enjoyed having them stop by. I guess that not all the Nashville fans are drinking the kool aid.
by Newport Rebel on Apr 21, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
This is by no means a broad depiction of all their fans. I’m glad there’s a contingent that goes beyond “Ducks are goons.”
Maybe disappointed would have been a better choice of emotion than appalled. The thing contributors have to realize is that they set the tone of the discussions. It’s hard for me to get too riled up at the commenters when they’re just responding to the vitriol being thrown their way in the first place,
by PhantomPretender on Apr 21, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree completely
However, instead of being disappointed, I see it as comical. “Anaheim Thugs”? Really? That’s hilarious!
That was almost as clever as Vince Gill chanting “Perry is a sissy!”
I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell
There was a time when Anaheim was on the other side of the issue, with Paul Kariya and Teemu Selanne frequently getting cheapshotted by the Stars, so I have SOME empathy for their position.
I would happily publish a note that Derian Hatcher was a waste of life, were there a blogosphere for me to post such a note back then. For the most part, though, the Ducks protected themselves, really only leaving themselves out to dry during the Severyn years.
If they want to settle this, I’d like to see a good old fashioned line brawl. That’s what Detroit did against us. I’d say the Sharks retooled their lineup to prevent such a thing from ever happening again. I know the Preds are up for the GM award, but if there isn’t enough heart on this team for an end of the game line brawl in Game 5, then I see a serious miscalculation. I mean, who had sympathy for the Rams when the Pats beat them in the Super Bowl. If you’re built for flag football, it’s mostly your own fault.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Apr 21, 2011 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
Id take Emery vs Rinne any day. Just saying.
by Newport Rebel on Apr 21, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that would be my feeling too. Emery is a battler. He is going to give you every ounce of fight he has. I haven’t seen him give up since he’s been with us. It’s been remarkable. He’s got something to prove to all his doubters, he’s working for his future, and he HATES losing. That’s what I like to hear.
Oh… Hahaha. Hands down. Emery would pummel Rinne.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSMuzYxukrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZzyOBhk5Uw
Love how he doesn’t mind fighting players. Too darn funny.
haha oh damn
i lovee his reaction after the second vid haha hes all pumped up
hes seriously an awesome guy and great at what he does, hes been rising to the ranks of my fav players since he got here
well said....
I agree with this… and this is also why I feel no remorse in stirring up that blog like it’s a hornet’s nest…. and to be perfectly honest…. a good majority of that blog has little to no Hockey knowledge….they can regurgitate stats and thats about it.
Keep Preachin Phantom!!
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
unfortunate
i used to read their blog but not post and have only begun posting in the last day. I was immediately met with “trolling” remarks, my words twisted, bitter sarcasm over legitimate argument and no one seeming to care about any of real issues or wanting to actually discuss HOCKEY. And i hate to say it but I was pulled into their dumb game of forever changing the subject.
They use ‘troll’ and ‘goon’ so loosely. I feel like any fan of hockey should have respect for other teams and players, and yeah, there are ‘goons’ out there, but saying that of our ENTIRE team is just ignorant and disrespectful to those who have worked their asses off for years and have incredible skills to get where they are. As for ‘trolls’, I’ve always thought trolls were people who make obnoxious vulgar remarks for the sole purpose of upsetting others, but I guess to them, a troll is anyone who thinks differently than they do.
that being said
I’ve encountered some very smart and polite Preds fans (strangely mostly on other pages than their own), so thank you to them
For the record, I find the “Justify That Play” game that someone made up on OtF to be funny as hell. Too bad no one has posted comments yet. It’s going to be a good read.
lol
Jason, i dont know how you get them to talk to you civilly. Like I really didnt think I said anything that merited rude remarks. You usually say what I’m thinking anyway though so if they listen to you, more power to you.
i....
just posted lmao…. pretty sure it should shut em up
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
thats the point....
and most of em will… they actually like teemu… and i gave up being nice after the very first time i posted on OtF…. buch of tools over there (as this article makes clear)
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh. They aren’t that bad. There is far, far worse out there. I just enjoy a good discussion, even if it’s with the opposing team.
no...
SOME of them aren’t bad….. like the ones on earlier… but i can honestly say…. majority are… go back and read what i’ve been attacked with before…. when they think it’s hillarious that I got hurt playing hockey and had to stop playing…. thats just low…
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Well yeah. SOME are always going to be bad though. We have our fair share of jack-wagons running around doing stupid stuff. Everyone does. But when we’re debating about something they care passionately about (Erat), they’re likely going to see it the way they want no matter what is done combat that issue properly. Whether that be past experiences of others or whatnot. Just how it is to some people.
On a side note, where did you play hockey?
played in cali...
Played for the Wave, LA Hockey, Bay Harbor Red Wings, and the Jr Kings (as much as it hurts to say that name) ….. also played on a few sorta select teams…. played for Mark Hardy and Jim Fox’s team… I’ve won two state championships multiple So-Cal championships… and have been to Nationals. In Roller hockey i played for the OC Blades, and the Tidal Waves…. been to NARCH twice… took third and fourth….and have won more tournaments than i can count lol… been MVP of said tournaments a few times too
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice. That’s a lot of hockey. Wish I had been able to get into hockey more in So Cal when i still lived down there. But it wasn’t extremely popular back then and my parents didn’t have the time/money for it. Finally got to play it some when I moved to Southern Oregon though.
yea...
i really miss it lol… im trying to get into playing again… and as long as you play man any hockey is good hockey!
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
btw...
as a fellow hockey fan you could be interested in this….
I played on the same line as this kid… I was his starting center …. give me chills thinking about it…
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice. Too bad he’s in the Pen’s system. :)
I think it’s great for hockey in So Cal to see these guys getting selected and selected early in the draft as was the case with Beau and Emerson Etem.
agreed...
finally getting some respect… i hope
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s pretty cool, I’ve never played with a future NHLer, but I’ve played against a few, Claude Giroux played in my division and I was in charge of shutting him down, believe it or not he wasn’t even the best player on the team at the time, there was another highly touted player ahead of him named Frizel, but I guess he just fizzled. Also played against one of the Staal boys, I don’t know what they eat in that family but they’re all huge.
nice...
when i played on the Jr. Kings…. one of the coolest moments of my life was when Luc Robatille came and practiced with us when my linemate was out with an injury…. we played a scrimmage and he was my winger…. it was EPIC
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow really? sounds fucking awesome, closest I got to something like that was having Ted Bulley as an assistant coach…he was the worst coach ever tho unfortunately.
yea...
Luc Robatille is an amazing guy… ALWAYS says hi to me whenever i see him and never is in a hurry to get away from fans… 100% class act
"Off the floor and on the Board!!!!"- Kariya
by Screw the NYBankees on Apr 22, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man did I ever hate when Bay Harbor played dump and chase and made me turn and go get the puck into those damn boards.
by pearljamfan80 on Apr 22, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
see
i dont think they are even talking about Erat himself anymore or the hit, or the punishment (they were in the beginning) but now theyre arguing about where his injury is ( i wish I’d never fallen into that discussion). If they want to talk about Erat and how this affects the game or something that makes more sense.
As for nybankees, that is truely the lowest of low, sorry to hear about that :/
Yeah it’s past Erat now. Though talking about his injury is still talking about Erat in my mind. Trying to cope with it. I started to get in that discussion last night for a while and wanted to step away but couldn’t. Luckily it died out and there weren’t 15 people talking about it. That would have been too much.
whew
like i said, itll be over by tonight. And I almost want to stay away from the blogs tonight, but i know i wont be able to haha, as uve probably noticed, once I’m on, I’m on!
I think most get a little sensitive around the playoff times. I sincerely like the group over at Jewels of the Crown, but right now, they are doing nothing but whining about the Sharks’ announcers. Every single game. Even someone there that I thought was above petty stuff.
Playoffs has a way of working the nerves. Of everyone. This name calling probably wouldn’t bother you if during the regular season, but now – it just feels like it’s below them. Least you don’t have a “murderer” on your team. Think of what the headlines would be then. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
Another need for a sarcasm font (I hope)?
"Puck go in. I very happy." - Lubomir Visnovsky
by Floyd Gondoli on Apr 22, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
haha! That is what the wink is for at the end of his comment. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
The shark TV announcers are crap-tastically nauseating. MUTE
by cal-S- on Apr 23, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm let’s see, who is it that Earl always complains about … oh yeah … Howard … least we don’t have to listen to him. :)
GO SHARKS!
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin (see profile for more info on this quote)
I love when people argue that point. Look just because our guys are aweful doesn’t make yours any better. Your announcers are aweful and ours are aweful. Hell the King’s Fox is the worst of them all. All three teams have shitty announcers.
by Newport Rebel on Apr 23, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Just an idea...
Can I play Devil’s Advocate for a second?
The Preds have been the laughingstock of the NHL since they arrived in Nashville. The hostility that Preds fans feel towards other teams comes on the heels of a decade’s worth of naysaying and namecalling. Kane and Toews call us hillbillies and with such a large group of Detroit natives in Nashville (because of GM), Preds fans take crap from Wings fans all year long.
Is there anything to the idea that the animosity stems from being kicked when down for almost 12 years?
It doesn’t matter that you’re disliked. You’ve got a Cup victory. We don’t. And really … Dirty Ducks is nothing. Know what the Wings fans call us out here?
Trashville Prednecks. Though certainly clever, it doesn’t do much to demonstrate that we aren’t the backwoods hick demographic the league thinks we are.
And because the Ducks fans have been dealing with it for longer, it should make even more sense to you.
I like the Ducks. I’ve always liked the Ducks. But I’m really not going to work myself into a lather because your fanbase is hungry and wants the win. Nobody else should either. So surely it’s fair to say that being appalled by the intensity of OTF is really just frustration that you guys aren’t playing as well as you know you can … something both teams have in common. Christ, we’re the Predators – we can shut out Detroit 8-0 and lose 7-0 to Atlanta …. THAT is frustrating.
I look forward to following you guys for game 6 and maybe even game 7. Though, in all honesty, I’d rather it stopped at 6.
There's a different between being passionate about your team
and resorting to cheap thrills and vitriol to rile up your fan base. Look at this blog over the past two weeks. Do you ever see any instance of the blog’s contributing writers calling you “Trashville” or implying that you have a bunch of dirty players? Hell, even with the complaints about diving, we haven’t taken it to the level of labeling you as the “Nashville Divers” in a game thread.
I understand feeling like the world’s against you and how that can affect your overall attitude. But I would submit to you that we’ve never let that boil over to petty name calling or trying to get the league to investigate a hit in the series. Hell, most Preds fans admit that Tootoo made a dirty play against Lydman at the end of Game 4 and we didn’t even write up a post about it here. I have a feeling that if we were OTF, we would have had a frame-by-frame breakdown with multiple angles PROVING how villainous it was.
So, in summary, be passionate all you want. But don’t resort to childish name-calling and other petulant postings. Be adults.
by PhantomPretender on Apr 24, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely not.
They wouldn’t say it here. In fact, they just ruin entire OTF threads with their naysaying, namecalling and general negativity.
It’s all moot now, I suppose. For what it’s worth, I enjoyed the series.
But I’d do my best to remember one thing…
Nashville fans are aggressive because you, like the rest of the league, made them this way.
Sorry, there’s no justification for being an overly aggressive pain in the neck. I can certainly understand that a person stuck in a poor economic or culturally oppressed position can claim that “society” has made them this way. However, when a sports fan makes a similar claim, it’s because he/she takes his/her sports team too seriously and has made it a part of his/her identity rather than an activity for enjoyment.
It is obvious...
that you know nothing about Nashville. So I’ll let your ignorance speak for itself.
Again, thanks for a great series.
How are you even coming to this conclusion? Can you at least demonstrate to me how you see my comment as being disparaging towards Nashville?
I guess you’re interpreting pain in the neck as being the same as redneck, but I don’t see how you’re drawing that conclusion. Would you have felt better if I said pain in the ass, instead of censoring myself?
As I said in my original comment
It’s one thing if you see stupid things from commenters. It’s another when it’s your contributor or managing editor. So no, none of our blog contributors ever engaged in that crap, as much as you’d like to conflate commenters and contributors.
Your contributors (and managing editor) did.
And, for what it’s worth, some of the anaheim fans posting at otf created accounts over there before they had ever commented here.
by PhantomPretender on Apr 26, 2011 12:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Trash talk is trash talk. Who it comes from doesn’t make it more or less acceptable. You’ve got one member, JasonF (I think), who came over and followed the games with us. A wonderful representation of Duck fanbase indeed. A lot of us actually looked forward to his commentary.
Then the Duck trolls roll out the Nashville-Doesn’t-Deserve-A-Team or the F***-You-Hicktown comments …. god, no wonder we’re hostile, as if SoCal doesn’t have its own stereotypes to be exploited.
Nashville is a fantastic city, full of classy people and wonderful culture. If you want to hate a call or get mad at a managing editor, knock yourself out. But there’s no reason to demonize an entire fanbase.
I have a real hard time understanding how you (as a blanket generalization) can think you’re taking the high road when people like Daniel AC are just finding more elegant ways to call us rednecks.
That's total false equivalency
It says something very different about you when the vitriol is coming from your contributors rather than your commenters. If you don’t think the person originating that emotion is important, then there’s no point discussing this.
Daniel can defend himself but I’m pretty sure you completely misunderstood his statement. I don’t think he was talking about nashville at all
by PhantomPretender on Apr 26, 2011 1:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Comment got cut off
His talking about being poor was to illustrate a real life example of why someone could understandably act in a certain way. That you see his statement and think it’s a shot at nashville says more about your mindset than it does his.
by PhantomPretender on Apr 26, 2011 1:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d be able to agree with you had Daniel not already made disparaging remarks against Nashville, either here or OtF. I don’t remember which.
Far be it for me to to accurately diagnose his intention, but we aren’t dumb. We know when we’re being mocked. After all, this isn’t our first time around the block.
I only came over to congratulate you on a series well-played. Really didn’t expect you guys to take out your frustrations on our fanbase which, at the end of the day, really doesn’t change anything in any capacity.
And the fact that one Duck fan can do it knowing this others will take up his mantle says a lot more about your mindset than it does mine.
Again, I enjoyed the series and have never experienced this side of such a turnout, but I felt for the Ducks – Selanne and Koivu especially.
We will see you next season. Enjoy the weather, because it hates Middle Tennessee this time of year. Thanks again for a great series.
Find the disparaging comments and I’ll discuss them with you. I know I made comments about specific arguments, but if you’re going to claim that pointing out a false argument is a knock about Nashville, then you’re already not going to be convinced by anything I have to say.
I understand you want to stick up for your team and your city, but if you think that you are the only person to be judged because of where you come from, try being a Californian. Better yet, try being a Mexican in California. The point I made above, you know the one you say is ignorant, is that there are real ways people have their lives shaped. A kid growing up in the poverty of a South Central ghetto, where he is denied education and opportunities for economic advancement, and constantly reminded that he is an inferior member of society, has a right to claim that society has shaped and generated his animosity. A fan of a sports team that is ignored by the mainstream media does not have the right to say that the sports society made him that way. That’s a fan who takes the sport way too seriously. It’s a game. I’m not a loser because the Ducks lost in the playoffs. I’m a loser because our society has decided that investing in education is a waste of time, so I don’t have a full time job. See, it’s all about perspective.
I’ve spent the last 4 years of my education examining power dynamics in cultural groups. If you think you can get on here and tell me how oppression works, or how malicious attitudes are generated as a result of oppression, you are out of your mind. Moreover, if you think that being an ostracized fan is somehow comparable to being an ostracized member of society, and justifies anger towards another group, then you have no grasp on the realities of oppression. It’s cute that you want to get up here and pretend like you’re taking the high road, by disparaging justifiable comments and telling people they are ignorant. Unfortunately, you can’t back it up.

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