Ducks Trade the 22nd pick
by Daniel AC on Jun 24, 2011 7:03 PM PDT
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This is a pretty opinionated piece that has not been reviewed by the editor. With the 22nd selection the Ducks chose to trade down to the end of the draft, giving the pick to Toronto for the 30th and 39th picks. I think this is an awful move. Burke continues to fleece Bob Murray. I guess Murray wants a player he's sure will be available then, or he doesn't care who he gets. Murray left a few quality picks on the table; some of them probably won't be available when he picks 30. Maybe someone will fall to the Ducks; John Gibson might still be there. I really hope we fire Murray soon.
ARTHUR:
As Daniel noted, I didn't review this. My counter would simply be that Madden and company run the draft board. They do the scouting from the day after the Draft until the next Draft. They sell Murray (and each other) on their list. Last year's first round was probably a no-brainer for all involved, but Madden has come up with some gems in the later rounds of his limited time running the Ducks boards, so if I were Murray, I'd give Madden some serious consideration if he says we can trade down.
Now, I don't know if that's what happened here. Eric Stephens' tweet that the Ducks had their eyes as high as the top half of the first round seems to intimate that they missed their guy or this is a really weak class (and, indeed, many GM's seemed to go off the board in the bottom third). I don't know if Anaheim could have gotten better for their money at 22, or if the Ducks STILL missed their backup pick in the intervening picks before 30, but the decision to deal with Burke again should probably be the center of the critique here.
And that would be my problem. Some nice deals have gone down, but Murray couldn't get any players involved once he knew he'd have to trade down. His buddy Wilson was moving Devin Setoguchi, but he ends up at Burke's knee again. As far as the decision to move down, I don't mind laying that at one foot (or both feet) of the Amateur Scouting department, but what trading down actually looks like is completely up to Murray.
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I don’t know that I agree — obviously I know nothing specifically about the kids, but the confidence gap I feel between a kid picked 22nd and a kid picked 30th isn’t as tremendous as you make it sound.
In a game of uncertainty, which a draft certainly is, sometimes more hooks in the water is a good thing. I support the move.
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I’m not saying we should have acquired Setoguchi or Campbell or any of that, but players were being dumped for peanuts. If you’ve got a pick and some contracts, it’s disappointing that you end up in the Chez Burke pawn shop again.
by Arthur from Anaheim Calling on Jun 24, 2011 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
I guess, but I don’t feel like dealing with Burke has been a bad deal for us. He took Giguere’s contract off our hands, he gave us back the cheaper end of Beauchemin’s and Blake’s deal, and maybe we got fleeced giving up Mike Brown, but that’s not huge.
There’s strategic value in the 30th and 39th pick and if Burke’s the guy peddling them for headlines, I wouldn’t put him off-limits to swap picks with.
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I don’t know. Giguere was his contract and Toronto needed a goalie that wasn’t as bitter as Toskala. We had take Blake or Finger. I guess you could say Murray made the right choice. Moreover, I think the Ducks got Fleeced in the Beauchemin deal. Maybe, it’s because the Ducks could have had Beauchemin for free, and should have had him for free, but Murray gave up a top 6 winger, a future top 4 defenseman and a 4th round pick.
Maybe Murray does something with the extra pick, but I’m not holding my breath.
If you don’t have confidence in his ability to pick 39th, I don’t know why you feel him picking 22nd is a sure bet.
And I won’t re-Beauchemin here, but I’m happy not paying Lupul, whatever label you want to give him.
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I’d rather pay Lupul than Blake. Murray just doesn’t instill confidence. I miss having a GM with a plan. Murray is too passive, we’ll never be an elite team with him at the helm. He can’t rely on Burke for deals forever.
If it makes you feel better
We’re not happy over at PPP with who Burke chose with your 22nd pick. Truculent, middling offensive talent, limited upside.
Go Brian Burke-type players… enjoy that early 2nd you scored.
Crazy would be NOT overanalyzing everything.
Bill Belichick approach?
Bill has become famous for trading down and acquiring tons of picks and has done very well with that method, however an NFL roster is so much bigger than an NHL roster so I don’t know if you can truly equate the two.
Over reaction, Murray made a decent move. Who would you have taken at 22? The folks at TSN seem to think that from picks 18-50 anyone could go, that’s how deep the draft is. If you look at some of the Mock drafts on tsn or nhl.com you’ll see how all over the board the picks are, the talent level didn’t drop off all that much from 22 to 30.
My problem isn’t the scouts. It’s that Murray moves down to thirty instead of 25. I would have been happy with a move down if the Ducks had decided that Gibson was their number one target. I really have a problem not getting 25 from Burke. You can argue he did us a solid and helped us move up to get Josh Manson, but I wonder if you’ve got to move up to get a kid who isn’t even ranked by central scouting.
Very good value in the trade
The Ducks trade the 22nd pick for the 30th and 39th picks. Meanwhile the Red Wings trade the 24th pick for the 35th and 48th picks. The Red Wings are generally praised for their move because they are so great at manipulating the draft. Which team made the better deal?
Clearly, the Ducks got much better value especially if the draft experts are correct that the draft will be deep.
by Ducks Fans on Jun 25, 2011 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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