Thoughts
by DavidBL on Aug 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT
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PrintRyan Malone has been rumored all summer to be on the trade market, though injuries and whether TB really has any desire to move him have always been question marks on any deal. He has a NMC clause as well as 4 years left on his contract at 4.5 mill cap hit though his Salary goes down from 5.5 this year to 3 next and 2.5 the following 2 years. He had 14 goals and 24 assists for 38 points last year in 54 games Thoughts on how he would look in a Ducks uniform? Assuming we moved Blake? Or if Selanne retires move Ryan to L2 and Malone to L1 with the twins? I got bored and there was nothing new to talk about...
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I’ve always liked this dude. He’s a big, strong, tough guy who does what it takes to win. I think he is exactly the type of player we need for our 2nd or 3rd line….
That said, hes just too much money this year. Jason Blake makes 3 million he makes 5.5. That 2.5 is going to be hard to come up with, unless Teemu doesn’t play…. Maybe at the trade deadline he could be had???
I’m not particularly opposed. The initial argument would be that he’s expensive for a third line winger, but when your focus is budget and not cap, the dropping salary is really the main concern. If he rebounds, you get more than what you’re paying for, in terms of cash. If he doesn’t, then he’s only a slightly over priced third line player. Not an awful investment in a fairly established player
If Tampa is looking for a salary dump, maybe a deal involving Blake might work, at that point we’re only taking on 2.5 mill. which isn’t breaking the bank. But it only leaves about 3.4 mill to fill out the roster. So yes this wont happen if Selanne returns, but it could be an acceptable plan B. we’d be looking at top two lines of likely: Malone-Getzlaf-Perry and Ryan-Koivu-Sexton. We’d still have 3.5 to pay for depth players.
All signs seem to be pointing to a Teemu return. Still, I think if we can swap Blake and a piece for Malone, that’s a good upgrade.
by Daniel AC on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I could see the Malone – Getzlaf – Perry dominating the boards of opposing teams’ ends… Not sure if I want it, but i could see it.
Not much else. The length of the rest of his contract is a bit unsavory for me too. I know he could be a player you’d be able to move up and down the lineup and I like the idea of him replacing Blake and revamping our lineup (i.e. Malone – Getzlaf – Perry + Ryan – Koivu – Selanne). However, it is one of those things where I don’t know how it would work out and might not like hearing we acquired Malone at the expense of one of our young studs, which would most likely be the case if we traded for him (remember the Beauchemin deal last year? Jake Gardiner!?).
Of course, if it were to happen it would definitely increase our forward depth on the left and up the middle since Malone can play both spots if I remember correctly. Also, we get some skilled beef….
The other option would be to leave RPG together and put Malone on Selannes wing. I think Malone might be similar to Kunitz in that regard. Would be a similar formula to what we had with Selanne on the cup team. Granted that would mean Selanne would be playing for almost nothing as far as money goes. Or Murray Convinced the Samueli’s to increase our budget a tad. I would much rather have Malone on Selannes wing then Blake.
David, I had a very similar thought about Malone playing with Selanne, and you stated it perfectly.
There’s an outside chance that Tampa Bay would see moving Malone as a salary dump and that would drive the cost down. Blake and a pick or prospect like Palmieri might be enough to get this done. Tampa Bay frees itself from the cap constraint, which it will need to keep Stamkos, with Hedman and Lecavalier and the Ducks get a younger, physical guy with some skills who can mesh with some of our top 6 forwards. We also get cash relief in the future. You never know what kind of money Selanne will take if you ask.
As much as I dislike Blake, I would prefer to keep him till the end of the season and go after pieces we WANT not ones that might work out like Malone. I just really like the idea of having Koivu, Blake, and Selanne come off the books all at the end of next year. I like Malone, but Im not crazy about him so I would rather the team take their time and go after someone that really fits with this team and is worth both the money and the years we would be giving them.
I don’t necessarily disagree but Murray hasn’t yet gone after a player we “want” in FA. With his decreasing salary we could afford to play him 3rd line while giving the young guys a chance on the second line in a year.
It will be easier to get who we want with those contracts coming off the books, but then again it’s hard to predict how the market will look .. we’re still a budget team so a trade is probably a more likely option.
What he said ^^^^^
Completely agree. It will be easier when you have the space to bid for guys usually out of our range. And you’re right, we don’t what the market will look like, but it definitely will give him the room to make a trade as well.
I just don’t see Murray making a big FA or even a few lesser FA signings. He has just not shown the desire to do that. He’s a thrift shopper. He wont overpay even if he has the money, especially when he has to resign nearly the entire core the next summer. And by next summer we wont really have anyone to trade except the core or prospects. I guess I have very little faith in Murray…
I think I said this on another thread, but what free agents will we be chasing? I’m not saying there aren’t great players out there, but it’s got to be guys who won’t want more money than we are willing to pay Getzlaf and Perry, and be an impact player. I’ll double check the list, but I remember seeing a couple superstars and not a whole lot less. Do you really need to aave a ton of money for another sub par free agent market?
by Daniel AC on Aug 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think its more likely that he leaves cap space to resign our amazing core and then uses the remaining space to make an impact trade. I think Murray has shown a greater desire to make moves through trades rather than FA signings (Beauch, Lubo, Cogs, Blake, Whitney)
For me its hard to say that. Kunitz is not Malone. Kunitz was not only good along the wall, but also he was a swift skater through the neutral zone. I don’t think you can say that about Malone. Not that he doesn’t have some speed, but it feels like Selanne flourishes with other speedy players. Say what you want about Blake’s decision-making, but his speed is not really debatable.
Based on this, I really would see the alternative looking something like this:
Ryan – Getzlaf – Perry
Cogliano – Koivu – Selanne
Malone – Bonino – Palmieri/Smith-Pelly/Sexton
Beleskey – McMillan – Parros
I noticed in the ESPN rumors that Boston may be shopping Brad Marchand. he plays LW and had 41 Pts as a rookie. The downside is he’s reported to be asking for close to 4 million. On the flip side, he’s young, aggressive agitator type player who plays responsibly defensively with offensive upside.
by DavidBL on Sep 11, 2011 3:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Marchand was great in the playoffs. I think 4 is a little much, but he can be an impact player. Wonder what Boston would want.
The article suggested a 1st round pick. I wonder if Blake could be moved.
by DavidBL on Sep 11, 2011 9:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Blake and a first for Marchand…? It doesn’t sound awful. The Ducks are pretty loaded with prospects. Moving a first rounder isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
I felt like Blake and a first rounder would be a bit much. maybe Beleskey and a first and move blake to for a depth center like Slater or Smithson?
by DavidBL on Sep 11, 2011 9:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Blake is going to be attractive going into camp because he is a high energy guy with some scoring touch. That’s what Boston will be losing in Marchand, plus Marchand’s defensive game. Moving Blake is necessary for us so that we can afford Marchand. We have to get rid of some salary somewhere. If you go out and get another forward with Blake I don’t know if you can afford Marchand, Selanne and whoever else you pick up.
Agreed, but if we moved Blake for Slater or Smithson or similar contract, we would be saving about 2 million. Then if we move a player like Beleskey who carries another 700k in the Marchand deal we’re almost at 3 mill to Pay Marchand and we haven’t even dipped into our remaining Salary space.
I thought Marchand wanted 4. You’ve certainly made the math more appealing, so we move Beleskey and a first for Marchand?
by Daniel AC on Sep 12, 2011 2:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As an added Bonus, Eklund says we have made an inquiry about Marchand.
Beleskey and a first is what I would offer. He’s another LW to replace the Marchand and they get the First rounder as well. They’re the same age as well.
I think it’s a good place to start. I think Beleskey could be considered Marchand-lite, and the first is good incentive. I think the biggest roadblock would be convincing Murray it’s ok not to pick for the first three rounds.
by Daniel AC on Sep 13, 2011 12:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He can always attempt to regain picks later. Have we already moved next years 3rd rounder as well? If we include Blake in this move we might be able to get a second back.
That same Winchester that just signed a try-out contract with San Jose. What a world
I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell
Damn. That’s rough. Murray said he’d wanted Winchester for a long time, and that he’d had his eye on him. Spends a third round pick on him only to watch him be a bust here. If he was watching him that long, didn’t he know it wasn’t going to work out?
In the 2012 draft we traded our 3rd rounder for Winchester… we still have a 3rd rounder as we traded Lapierre for Vancouvers. We gave up a 5th rounder initially to get Lapierre but still have a 5th rounder due to the Mara trade….
It is generally not a good policy for a budget team to trade away 1st round picks, but Marchand is a stud, so It sounds pretty decent. Blake would have to be traded or selanne retired for this to work tho.
I still feel moving Blake is the best option, especially as Marchand would likely take his spot on the second line. Though he could play third with Cogs and bump McMillan to the 4th. That’s decent depth.
I’d love to see Marchand, Cogliano, and Sexton on a line together. You could run guys right off the ice with all that speed. There will be plenty of options to replace Blake from the youth we have in the system.
well since the dream is over, there are a couple of d-men unsigned as yet…
i think schenn might look good in a ducks uniform…
by BennyLightning on Sep 15, 2011 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He’d look great. Not as great as Doughty, but great. I just don’t know if Burke will part with him.
by Daniel AC on Sep 15, 2011 8:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Never mind, he’s singed for 5 year extension for a really reasonable price… Burke can negotiate, that is an amazing contract IMO.
i saw that.
also what would your thoughts be on looking at getting nabokov the isles have 3 tenders going into 2 spots… i know we would be in the situation, but im just not sure i trust ellis, particularly if hiller is rested for more games etc.
I imagine he could be picked up for a relatively cheap price
by BennyLightning on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I the Ellis can be counted on for the 25-30 games he’ll need to play this year. His problem is consistency, not skill. If we don’t need him to be great every game he should be good enough the other times we do need him.
That was a great contract. That’s what Burkes does. I don’t think Bobby would have ever gotten Burke past 4.5.
by Daniel AC on Sep 16, 2011 11:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought about Nabokov, but more as a salary dump. I don’t think there is really a market to move Ellis and we don’t need 3 NHL goalies at this point. now come a month or two into the season and Hiller relapses, that’s when we go get him.
Thats probably the problem for me daniel. I think at best hiller should only be used for at most 50 games (regular season), and i would wonder if ellis could win enough games to keep us in the playoff hunt. Im probably not as high on the ability of this current team to win alot of games (in the west), and thus think we’d need stellar goaltending. does ellis give us that for 30+ games?
The only reason i brought it up is that nabby could be had for cheap, and should sign a cheap contract. It seems relatively low risk. There wont always be an emery waiting around for a team to call if we need him. Its a glass half empty argument i know, ive just rarely seen an athlete with vertigo or concussion come back and play to a high level..and that makes me nervous.
by BennyLightning on Sep 16, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think your concerns are 100% warranted and expected of a shrewd hockey observer. However, Ellis is a former starter and has shown that he can play well for a dew stretches. I think the key will be making sure Carlyle doesn’t get obsessed with rolling the hot hand. If Hiller gets regular rest, then Ellis is staying fresh with regular starts. If Hiller is his remarkable self, and Ellis isnjust a little bit above .500 we should be good for making the playoffs.
I would have preferred to keep Emery, but I think Ellis can do it. David is right, if Ellis fails, we should go shopping for a replacement, and you’re correct in suggesting Nabokov, by I think Ellis has shown he deserves a shot to lose that backup role.
by Daniel AC on Sep 16, 2011 9:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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