Armchair GM: Kristen's Fire Sale Core Player Trades
Ryan Getzlaf for Jonathan Toews
A captain for a captain. Toews is one of the few players in the NHL that I would be okay with accepting in exchange for Getzlaf. Both men are playmaking centers (even though Toews - an Art Ross candidate - currently has more goals than assists), and proven winners. Both are also known for their intense, physical play. But there is a hunger in Toews' play that Getzlaf has lacked as of late.
Corey Perry for Loui "The Duck Killer" Eriksson
Of the five trades that I've proposed, this is the most plausible. But at first glance, Perry and Loui Eriksson seem like polar opposites. Eriksson was a Lady Byng nominee last season, has never been in an NHL fight, has amassed a mere 4 penalty minutes this season, and tends to disappear on the ice. He doesn't have Corey's edge, which would make him an atypical Ducks player. But this is a good thing. Eriksson is a smart, playmaking, two-way winger who has scored 38 points in 40 games. And he 'disappears' because he takes care of business without drawing attention to himself.
Bobby Ryan for Patrick Kane
Like Toews and Getzlaf, Ryan and Kane have similar profiles - both are American wingers, both were highly-coveted draft picks, and they even played on the same silver medal winning team at the 2010 Olympics. Both are capable of executing a dazzling spinorama. But while Bobby's spinoramas are pretty (and he plays beautiful, finesse hockey), Kane's are often the result of his extraordinary playmaking acumen. Remember this? Yeah, I thought so.
Cam Fowler for Karl Alzner or PK Subban
It was important for me to trade Cam Fowler for another young defenseman, especially considering the age of the Ducks' blueline. PK Subban (more on him later) and Michael Del Zotto were both great suggestions. But if I had my choice of any young defenseman in the league, I'd pick the Washington Capitals' Karl Alzner. He's arguably the best defenseman in the Capitals organization, and is only 23 years old. But more importantly, Alzner satisfies a giant need within our organization: he's capable of playing huge, shutdown minutes. If he keeps developing, he'll be the next Shea Weber.
A note about PK Subban: Subban and Alzner's defensive partner John Carlson are my second and third options for this trade. Both are offensive defensemen in the mode of Fowler, and they would immediately contribute to the Ducks blueline. Chris proposed trading Fowler for Subban in his Fire Sale post, and took some heat for it in the comments section. To be frank, I don't understand why everyone hates Subban. His game is all about antagonizing his opponent - he's Montreal's Corey Perry (and if his name was Chris Pronger, he would be rewarded for this behavior). That doesn't mean he's a "locker room cancer" - he's very polite in interviews, and willingly gives credit to his opponents. But he dives! So does Crosby. So did Gretzky. Subban's only 22, and I imagine that he'll eventually abandon his most egregious diving impulses. I don't want to start a flame war in the comments section, but I think that a lot of the Subban controversy is due to his position as a young, exuberant black man in a league that rewards the contributions of stoic white men. He's an explosive, elite defensman in-the-making, and I would be very glad to have him on our blueline.
Jonas Hiller for Tim Thomas
Yes, Tim Thomas is really old. And as much as I like Thomas, I think that Jonas is the Ducks goaltender of the future. I imagine that as soon as our defensive corps improves, the complaints about Jonas will cease. It just doesn't make sense to trade him for any other netminder in the league (he's only 29!). But if we had to trade him, I'd like to get Thomas in return. Thomas is old, but he's a passionate competitor who will stop a puck by any means necessary. He fiercely protects his own crease (Jonas does allow himself to be bullied too frequently). But beneath Thomas' fire and brimstone, there is stillness and poise. He could be an effective mentor for the Ducks stable of young goaltenders, and a leader on the team. And you don't have to pump his tires.
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I like the idea of Alzner. I think there has been a few instances of Subban getting into fist fights with his own team mates during practice. I honestly can’t see how this can happen. Even if you play hard during practice, I can’t see wanting to punch a teammate. I think that’s where the cancer badge comes from.
Do you have a link? I’d like to read some of these things about Subban.
by Daniel AC on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I heard about one fight – with Tomas Plekanec. You have to remember, though, the Canadiens are playing pretty poorly now. And that fight was probably the result of a lot of frustration (for both guys involved). Anyhow, TSN said that the fight ‘perked up’ the practice. Maybe he was just trying to motivate his team?
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
If this means that Subban will punch Getzlaf in practice I’m so for this trade.
by Kevin Riach on Jan 11, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
If this means that Subban will punch Getzlaf in practice I’m so for this trade.
This might be the quote of the day, lol.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
He’ll at least call him a punk when he doesn’t hussle on the backcheck.
Does this mean we can start the Bobby Ryan for PK+ discussions? Because I’m all about that deal.
by Daniel AC on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As am I. I like Bobby, but I’d totally give him up for PK.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
The real problem is that the Habs don’t have
much else to throw into the deal. I was just checking out the roster and there are t too many guys I’d jump up and down to get. I’d love it if we could do Bobby for PK, Jarred Tinordi and a first round pick. Tinordi is suppose to be the crease clearer we need, if I remember reports correctly.
by Daniel AC on Jan 11, 2012 1:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wow… I think we’d be insanely lucky to get two of those things. Just going by hockeysfuture rankings, PK is a top pairing guy, Tinordi is a second pairing guy and we know the value of a first round pick.
I like Bobby but I don’t think he’s worth anything close to that package
by bhlloy on Jan 11, 2012 4:11 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
PK is definitely a top-pairing defenseman. I think PK for Bobby straight up is perfectly reasonable.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Bobby fills a huge need for the Canadiens, he’s a scoring winger with size. I agree, it’s a wild idea, but I think that’s where you start. Make Gauthier talk you down from that package and see what you get. Maybe if we toss in another forward prospect or a guy like Lubo or Lydman it works. Don’t forget, Montreal doesn’t have our budget issues. They can afford to buy D if it means getting a piece like Ryan. The only real problem is that he isn’t French-Canadian. They might hate that.
by Daniel AC on Jan 11, 2012 5:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
but I think that’s where you start.
That is smart. You could be our new GM.
The only real problem is that he isn’t French-Canadian. They might hate that.
Maybe he could take French lessons with their coach:)
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
The only pieces I would take for Bobby is Beaulieu or Tinordi++. I don’t see how Subban is fair value. The guy poses the same locker-room detriment as guys like Ovechkin and Semin. He may be very good with Boudreau as his coach, but I think he’s the wrong piece to include in a team like ours.
PK might be struggling now, but so is his entire team. He deserves to be a top 4 defenseman in the league, and would be a valuable addition to our blueline. The whole ‘PK Subban is a problem’ narrative is very misguided – I don’t want to repeat myself here, but please read my blurb about him in the blog post.
RE Ovechkin and Semin – I think that Ovie genuinely wants to win, and I would resist putting him in the category as well. Semin is talented, but is streaky and takes bad penalties. So I guess it’s easier to label him a ‘detriment.’ But many hockey analysts chalk up their difficulties (implicitly and explicitly) to their “Russian-ness,” which is problematic and xenophobic.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Team cancer is kind of like effort, it’s one of those things that is mostly important when things are going bad.
by Daniel AC on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I read the blog post. I just want to reiterate that it’s not his ‘peevishness’ or ability to antagonize that I dislike, it’s the mere fact that he has this confidence and arrogance that shouldn’t be displayed by a 22-year old. I understand he’s polite and everything else (I was very surprised about that when I first saw met him when he was with Belleville), but I think he has the type of attitude that makes a lot of fans and players dislike him. I guess it’s just not my thing.
Yeah, but I think that, and I think the point Kristen was trying to make was, his attitude is seen as more of a negative because he’s black.
by Daniel AC on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gonna give my 5 (cents) trades
Getzlaf for Paul Stastny: This is the hardest for me. I think its impossible to get equally value for Getzlaf, due to his incredible talent and production. That being said his leadership leaves a lot to be desired. Stastnys is pretty publicly unhappy in Colorado right now so he’s definitely available. He plays a good two way game, is very talented, and is a pure playmaker. He managed to put up over 70 pts 3 seasons with pretty minimal talent. Its hard to get equal value, but Stastny is available, talented, a strong leader, and has a manageable cap hit that is signed for 3 seasons.
Perry for Rick Nash: Big, scoring wingers don’t come buy often so if your gonna give away one you should get one back. Nash also has a bit of a nasty streak that we saw earlier this week. His cap hit is a little rough, but he’s signed for a long time so maybe its better to take the hit knowing that he stays. Plus who knows how much Perry will demand once his contract runs out. Again he’s never even put up a 70pt season, but he’s also never had elite talent to play with.
Ryan for James van Riemsdyk: Young, talented power forward that has a bit more of a consistent physical side to his game. Like his potential and his grit. Only guy out there that I think you can get equal value on the wing for Ryan. Also he plays left wing.
Fowler for Dougie Hamilton: Young offensive PP specialist for a young shutdown man. I could see this trade happening and benefiting both sides. Hamilton is supposed to be a stud and while its hard to give up on Fowler’s potential I can buy into Hamilton’s.
Hiller for Josh Harding: Young good goaltender brimming with potential. Has played well in his limited time and seems prime for a starting job. Hard to get rid of Hiller, but this guy has serious potential and would be up for contract at the end of the year so if it doesn’t work out we let him go. Also hes old enough that we can let him go once Bobkov or Gibson are ready.
I'm a huge Stastny fan
I like players who can really ‘read’ the game well (it is also a recipe for a long and fruitful career – even after your physical abilities begin to decline). I didn’t realize he was so unhappy in Colorado. That’s too bad.
JvR has emerged as a serious power forward for the Flyers, but he’s become sort of a scapegoat on Broad Street Hockey (I like to read the other SB Nation hockey blogs, lol). I think he has a nagging hip injury, though.
I don’t really know that much about Hamilton, but he sounds good. I’ve become a fan of Sean Couturier (he’s a really good two-way center).
Matt Hackett is also a good goalie in Minnesota’s system. I really like Braden Holtby – he’s in the Caps system, plays with intensity, and has excellent stickhandling skills (something that Tim Thomas is notoriously bad at). They’re currently AHL goalies, though, so I wouldn’t suggest trading Hiller for them…yet.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 11, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Tinordi and Subban are possibilities for Fowler, but you’re not getting both for Fowler.
Erixon and Sauer are a possibility for Anaheim, but in return for what?
Sometimes big trades are not possible and maybe a smaller trade might work.
Dubinsky & Erixon or Sauer for Gretzlaff means Rangers take on salary for a guy who
has only 15 even strength pts this season. Dubinsky, who has spent almost no time on the
power play, has 20 even strength points.
Dubinsky & Erixon or Sauer for Gretzlaff means Rangers take on salary for a guy who has only 15 even strength pts this season.
A good return, but not nearly fair enough. Dubinsky maybe replace his points and add two-way prowess and grit, and Sauer/Erixon may fill the defensive need for the Ducks, but this is far too lopsided in favour of NYR.
The real value of Getzlaf is that he gets the chance to be coached by Tortorella, who is a no non-sense coach and gets the best out of his players. That therein lies where the additional value of a receiving Hagelin, McIlrath or even an upgrade from Erixon/Sauer to Girardi. Getzlaf may be having an underwhelming season, but he’s not getting traded for a bag of pucks.
Girardi was an undeclared all-star last season & will definitely be an Allstar
this season Anaheim has no one Rangers would give up for Girardi.
That includes Anaheim’s #1 pick.
Right now, Erixon and Sauer MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.
Rangers have a surplus of cheap, young, bug, talented 2 way
defensemmen. Sauer is almost back and 20 yr old Erixon
is stranded in Hartford.
Maybe a#2 to NY for Sauer and a #3 might get it done.
The Rangers have a great team this season and very young, talented
defense.
The thing you seem to not understand is that NYR farm system really isnt that good. Seriously they are ranked worse than the Ducks. So even though you may value these players so highly (and maybe even the Rangers do too) the rest of the league does not. You have some good prospects on Defense, particularly Dmen who play a two-way (not shutdown) game. But you lack prospects in other areas, specifically Goaltending and Offensive Dmen. These are prospects that the Ducks have excess of. So no I don’t think guys like Girardi and Staal are untouchable, and no I don’t believe that Sauer (a guy with a bad injury history already in his young career) is worth what your saying he is. Honestly I don’t even know why your team would want Getzlaf considering you just spent a ridiculous amount of money on a no1 center. So all this speculation is silly because they demand really is only their from the fans. And finally I wouldn’t want any of the three prospects you mentioned because they really don’t fit our needs. Maybe I would take a flyer on Staal, but his recent injury is somewhat troubling.
by Kevin Riach on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I was excited to see so many new comments on this thread, because I secretly believe we can get Subban and Tinordi for Bobby Ryan, but then this happened. And it made me sad.
by Daniel AC on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What are the actual needs of the Ducks right now? Obviously there’s a lot of speculation around (for the Rangers, focused mostly on Ryan), but there’s a lot of conflicting stuff.
I know Murray said 2 rosters guys + high end prospect + pick, but is roster guys top 6 forwards, top 9 forwards, top 4 d, bottom 4 d. What about the prospect?
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by George E. Ays on Jan 12, 2012 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Defense is the only glaring need for the Ducks. Defensive prospects were seldom drafted by Bob and Burke, and when they were, they flopped (see: Mark Mitera). The other need would be secondary scoring, which is why the initial package for Ryan centered around a top-6 forward. The Ducks have guys in the system who pack a punch offensively, but they’re a year or two away from breaking into the NHL, with the exception being Etem (who is as good, or better than Kreider IMO).
To answer your second question – I could say from a fans standpoint – that in a return for Bobby or Getzlaf, the ideal return would be a top-6 forward, top-4 defenseman, a blue-chip prospect and a throw-in to offset salary. Stepan, Dubinsky, McIlrath and a late pick would do it for me, but I know Sather wouldn’t give up that kind of bounty.
Yeah, you might get Step or Dubinsky, no way you get both, at least not for just one of those guys and nothing else.
I’d say McIlrath is probably untouchable as well. They used a high draft pick on him (some would argue a reach) because he filled a need they didn’t have in the system. I think the only quality d-man that you could get out of the Rangers right now would be Sauer. Staal/Girardi/McDonagh/DelZotto/Erixon/McIlrath I think is the 6 that the organziation look at as the backbone going forward. I could be wrong, but that’s the sense I have on it.
With that D in mind, deals tossed around our site generally focused on giving up Dubinsky, Sauer, Zuccarello, and a pick to get Ryan. I personally think it’s too much, but I understand that’s the demand (and probably too low by your standards). For me, the gap between Ryan & Dubinsky isn’t THAT large. Obviously, you pay a premium for the extra 10-15g/20-25pts Ryan gives, but that seems like too much, especially if the pick is a 1st/2nd.
Who’s the preferred guy to trade here, if you have to move one?
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by George E. Ays on Jan 12, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Most people would say either Ryan or Getzlaf. Although I think the edge goes to Ryan due to the fact Getzlaf and Perry have won a cup and produced better so far over there careers. Also this team is light on NHL ready centers right now.
To this outside observer, the Ducks look pretty short on NHL ready players outside of the crease. No offense intended, but the roster looks extremely thin at both F and D after you get past RPG, Selanne, Koivu, Beauchemin, Lydman, Lubo, and Fowler.
Basically replacement-level 3rd pair and replacement-level 3rd and 4th lines. If the team can get serious futures for those assets, I think you consider it. That said, R and P are on pretty amenable contracts for the value against threshold that they provide when you consider how tough their minutes are – even with a massive haul, there’s no guarantee you get players of that caliber.
It seems to me like the best hope for the Ducks is trade Ryan if they can snatch a first plus something in the deal, and hang on to that lottery pick like grim death. Corey Pronman thinks the first half-dozen picks in the draft this year are above average, and the next 10-15 are below average. If he’s right, that means you’re getting surplus value in the lottery over what you’d normally get and anyone picking after that isn’t going to make out as well as they normally would ceteris paribus. For a team that needs help at every position moving forward (but especially C and D), a lottery that holds at least three of Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Dumba, Murray, and Rielly looks very promising. Maybe with another 1st round pick, the Ducks could take a flyer-ish decision on a guy that projects with a high ceiling, but has knocks attached to his game.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 13, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter anyway. I’d be dumbfounded if Erixon is available. He’s a top NHL prospect that the Rangers just gave up two picks and a NHL-ready prospect to get. They’re not flipping him, especially not for a draft pick (even if that pick means someone like Grigorenko). Of course he wouldn’t be a deal breaker if it means one of the Ducks big three, but he’s not a centerpiece for that type deal either.
The Rangers also aren’t selling Sauer at the deadline for a pick. When healthy, he’s a top 4 defenseman and he’s a necessary component to the team this year.
The depth of the NYR prospects isn’t strong, but their top end guys (Kreider, Erixon) are above anything the Ducks have. Assuming you’re referencing hockeysfuture’s rankings, the Rangers get dinged for exactly what you said, lack of goaltending prospects (which honestly, who cares when you have a 29 y.o. Lundqvist). The offensive d-men all graduated, aside from Erixon, who is more of a two-way guy anyway.
Staal and Girardi aren’t untouchable, but they have as much value to the Rangers as any of Getzlaf/Perry/Ryan have to the Ducks.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 12, 2012 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand the Rangers speculation. It was mostly brought here from other people. Back when they were both RFAs I thought about a straight Bobby Ryan for Marc Staal trade, but since them he’s gotten hurt and I think that drives down his value.
No offense, but the Rangers aren’t my ideal trade candidate. They have a surplus of D prospects, but the forward depth seems to fit the team a little too well. The balance of core versus role players is good and I don’t see a good surplus forward in a package. I’d love Anisimov, but why would you guys give up a solid two way center like that when the Cup is in sight?
At this point, the only teams interested in Bobby Ryan are probably teams on the bubble. This deal will probably happen in the offseason.
by Daniel AC on Jan 12, 2012 8:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t really understand it either, to be honest, beyond the “ooh..shiny new toy on another team” element. And no offense taken, I’m sure there’s better stuff out there to be had.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 12, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Better stuff for your team to make a Cup run? Definitely. However, I doubt there will be better overall talent available than one of our big three. Players like this don’t get moved often, especially in their primes. Bobby Ryan will be the prize of the deadline or draft this summer.
by Daniel AC on Jan 12, 2012 9:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I still don’t think they trade him if the team preforms well and Murray thinks he can land at least one FA defenseman. That being said stranger things have happened.
As far as your post about getting Subban, I think its a possibility. Maybe we throw in Lydman too and they throw in Moen or some other bottom 6 forward to make it all even out? But I honestly don’t think the asking price for Subban is quite as ridiculous as it may seem. I dont know about that prospect, but as you said Bobby Ryan fills a need the Canadians have had for years now and I don’t see Eric Cole filling that need anymore. Montreal is also a bubble team that has disappointed this season so the desire is probably their as well.
Regarding Subban, as long as Markov is out and Beaulieu is still a couple of years away from being an impact contributor, I can’t imagine they deal Subban for anything less than a huge, huge ransom. He has Norris potential, while Ryan looks like he’ll fall well short of Ross production.
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by red army line on Jan 12, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'm crazy
But I would assume a package centered around Ryan and Viznosky could get it done. I understand Beaulieu is young right now, but maybe Brendon Nash (who’s pretty good on the PP from what I understand) can get a chance in the meantime. I understand the concern of loosing a PP specialist, but don’t you guys still have Kaberle, Markov (when he’s healthy), and Yannik Weber? All of those guys are considered puck moving offensive Dmen. I would assume he is somewhat expendable….
Ryan might fall short of Ross production, but he’s also been a pretty consistent 30 goal scorer on a line where he isn’t the primary option and hasn’t been on the top PP unit, because of Teemu Selanne, and his desire to hold on to the puck for long stretches of time. If he was the go to option on a line with Plekanec and Camalleri, or if you put him on the second line and let Gomez feed him the puck like it was a biscuit eating contest, I imagine his value goes up.
I think Subban and Tinordi would be a fantastic return for Bobby and I don’t think it’s out of the realm of reality. Montreal wants an impact forward; Bobby is it. They have the money to buy any other D they would need on the open market, but guys like Bobby are a little more rare. The more I think about it, the more I want Murray to get on the phone right now right now and the lay the foundation for this to happen at the draft.
I meant better returns for you to get for your guys than what the Rangers would offer.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 12, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Ok. That makes perfect sense. Sorry for the confusion.
by Daniel AC on Jan 12, 2012 3:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Please note that Marc Staal has missed 43 gms over the last 5 seasons, most
of which attributed to his concussion. Also, remember his concussion was a grade
one concussion (typically, a ring my bell type concussion) with a 95% long term
recovery rate). I suffered a grade 4 concussion in March of last year and was AOK
within a month AND I ALSO SUFFERED A SKULL FRACTURE, MULTIPLE BRAIN
HEMORAGES AND REQUIRED A CRANEOTOMY.
“HEALTHY” Gretzlaff has missed 37 gms over the last 5 yrs.
Please let us not lose out focus.
Sauer & Staal for Ryan gives Anaheim a pair of shutdown defensemen (a #1 one
guy and a # four guy).
Living the retired life in Florida spouting nonsense on the internet does not have the same recovery program as an all-star level, NHL defenseman. Glad you recovered frankie, but comparing your concussion and rehab to Staal’s is like comparing an apple to a copy machine.
Also, they’re not trading him.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 13, 2012 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t see if George or RAL got to this earlier, but Alzner and Weber are similar only in that they’re both tall, Canadian, and capable of eating big minutes against tough competition. Alzner isn’t overly physical and he’ll never have the offensive upside that Weber possesses. There’s almost nothing at all that’s flashy or overtly jaw-dropping about his game, but he’s letter-perfect on things like tying up sticks, outlet passes, gap control, and body position.
Put another way – his defense has been Norris-caliber, but I’ll be stunned if he ever breaks 35 points.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 13, 2012 3:39 PM PST reply actions
Thanks for the information!
My Alzner-Weber comparison may have been a little misleading. I never meant to say that Alzner will become as flashy/well-rounded as Weber (or that his upside was as big as Weber’s). I meant to say that if he continues to develop, he could be one of the NHL’s premier defensmen (like Weber). The Ducks really need a shutdown defenseman, and Alzner fits the mold.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 14, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions

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