Open Gameday Thread: Ottawa Senators @ (2007 Stanley Cup Champion) Anaheim Ducks
by Jen Neale on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 AM PST
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A cold I've been fighting off has finally caught up to me, hence the lack of witty comments and use of video for the pregame. Thanks to the Ducks I had to wake up from my cold medicine induced coma to get this preview out before the early start.
I know very little about this year's Senators except that Nick Foligno (son of former Ducks assistant coach, Mike Foligno) is dangerous, physically and offensively, and I hear they are one of the surprises in the Eastern Conference. They have the potential to destroy opponents with waves of scoring, but can be beaten if the Ducks are able to fire everything at Craig Anderson (who?!) early. Should be a fun back and forth game. The physical play will be key to keep the scorers at bay. The young Senators will make the Ducks pay for any and all mistakes - something the Ducks were lucky Phoenix couldn't do on Wednesday.
A couple notes going into the game: Center (or since we're playing Ottawa, 'centre') Mark Bell was called up from Syracuse on Friday morning. Friday afternoon saw Kyle Palmieri getting called up - again. Palmieri and Jean-Francois Jacques are neck-and-neck in the race for the Dan Sexton Award for Most Frequent Flyer Miles. Jason Blake and Matt Beleskey sat out practice on Friday to continue to recover from the blocked shots they took in the game against Phoenix. I can't believe I'm actually concerned about another Jason Blake injury. Apparently he's our Tim Tebow (pre-Tom Brady matuchup). Since we need to win almost every game going forward, Jonas Hiller will start once again. He's playing lights-out lately, so only SK isn't excited about this move...
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Waaaaa? I LOVE Hiller! ;)
GO DUCKS!!!
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by SK eleven on Jan 21, 2012 12:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Can't wait till game time
4pm is fun
By the way, is anyone else watching the KHL all-star game? They adopted the NHL style. This years captains are former Mighty Ducks Sandis Ozolinsh and Sergei Fedorov
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 12:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I have to work
so I will miss the game. I’d love it if someone could keep up the trend and slap up some intermission questions. This, is all I ask. :)
Also, trade rumor (per Eklund, who I just don’t trust, but I feel I need something to go out on today): Blake to Nashville… no news on who we’d be getting.
Just read that on Hockeybuzz.
*Jason Blake looks to be headed out of Anaheim and I hear the Preds are in pursuit. The Preds are definitely buyers this year and they also are considering Tuomo Ruutu.
He’s headed out of Anaheim? News to me, Eklund…
Part of me would say no to trading blake but part of me would say yes cause he seems to keep getting hurt. But it doesn’t matter I can’t judge it without some idea what we would get back.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Apart of me also says yes because he’s a UFA, and if we get a defenseman back, then I’d say it’s worth it.
I don’t know, I liked Blake Geoffrion. He’d be an interesting guy to pick up. He’s not with the team right now, but I liked his game last year.
He was a very good college hockey player – I think he won the Hobey Baker (college hockey’s version of the Heisman) a few years ago.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 21, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I should ban you from the site for quoting Eklund…
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by Jen Neale on Jan 21, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Made it to warm ups today.
Both Beleskey and Blake on the ice. Blake was in line rushes, Beleskey was not…replaced by Bell. Just a heads up. :)
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by SK eleven on Jan 21, 2012 12:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah he is
It was a great move by Murray to lock him up. If only he would have done this a few years ago.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Whenever people insult the French
I think of Beauch
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I know
I hate all those negative stigma’s attached to them
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like Blake back on the second line. Don’t mes with line chemistry if nothing is wrong. Then again, something could be wrong.
Nothing big
My stream is like a behind the scenes thing haha.. Just saw French interview Boudreau and walk off.. Blake was up there cause Hagman just killed a penalty
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I saw this in the Beauch article
at the Register. I thought it was pretty interesting.
And there are the daily rumors of Bobby Ryan and Ryan Getzlaf possibly heading elsewhere, though Murray has said that Ryan was off the table.
So Getzlaf is available but Bobby is not. Interesting. I wonder if Boudreau has a say in that. Based on his comments to the media, Boudreau is a big fan of Bobby.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:16 PM PST reply actions
If the Ducks trade Getzlaf and keep Bobby, I would seriously consider not rooting for them.
by Daniel AC on Jan 21, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's certainly not something I would have ever expected to see
But I do think that a big part of all of this is Boudreau.
No matter what happens, the Ducks are my team. They’d have to get bowled over in a Getzlaf trade, but I can also understand why they might be listening.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
There’s also something to be said that Getzlaf was never openly offered like bobby was and therefore doesn’t need to be taken off the table.
However, if the Ducks keep Bobby Ryan and move Getzlaf they will have officially decided they do not respect their history. Bobby disrespects Kariya every game he wears that 9 and I can’t believe how complacent people are with that. If they keep him and make him the core player of this franchise, I won’t follow it until he leaves.
If your saying you will basically stop being a Ducks fan cause of the number a player wears and a Getzlaf being traded it kinda speaks to how much of a Ducks fan you are in the first place. 1 player or number someone wears shouldn’t decide fandom if your really a fan of the team and not just a player.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Also I don’t think he is disrespecting him by wearing the same number but you can’t really think someone should be traded cause of the number they have right? Just because it happens to be a number of a great player from your team history.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
But they're not
So I don’t see how it’s disrespectful to wear one of those numbers. Bobby waited before he got 9. If I remember correctly, he even checked with Kariya.
If you have a problem with someone, have a problem with the organization for not retiring Kariya’s number or keeping it off-limits. It’s not like they haven’t told other players in the past they can’t have a certain number (they told Toskala he couldn’t have 35).
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. Plus if it is true he checked with Kaiya you defiantly shouldn’t be holding anything against him since he has permission from the player.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I expect him to know better. No franchise retires the number of a player who is still playing. Kariya has stopped playing. He should take off the 9.
I never said it was disrespectful. And yes, Bobby did check with PK before he asked to wear the #.
And I don’t have a problem. But Kariya did so much for this organization, numerous ASG’s, commercials, marketing, he was an Olympian, and he truly put Anaheim on the map. The organization should respect him the same way they will end up respecting Selanne, Niedermayer and Giguere.
Then that's the organization's problem
If a kid grows up idolizing a player and always wearing that number, and that number is available when he finally makes it to the pros, I have ZERO problems with him asking for it. He didn’t get it right away. But after a while, they said he could have it.
If it rankles people that Bobby wears #9, then your issue should be with the franchsie. You can unofficially keep numbers off limits, as they’ve done with #35.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
The fans have made it difficult for Paul to get his due. Honoring Paul became a sore subject for fans who refused to believe that he was within his rights to leave rather than be strong armed into contracts.
As I’ve said before, Bobby should know the history of the organization he plays for
He does
This is the link I posted below: http://ducks54.blogspot.com/2010/04/interview-with-bobby-ryan-part-1.html
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I knew about Paul and what he did in Anaheim. I wasn’t really concerned with it.
So does he care or doesn’t he?
So I post a link about the guy saying he knew what the history was
and you post an opinion piece. Yep, those are definitely equivalent.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
You post a piece saying he’s aware of the history and doesn’t care about that history, thus proving my point: that he doesn’t care about the impact Paul Kariya had on this franchise.
I’m simply pointing out that I’m not the only person who thinks Bobby Ryan wearing 9 is ridiculous and detrimental to the overall history of our organization. I’m pointing out that someone else agrees with me.
If you post his entire comment
It sure as hell looks like he’s not disrespecting the number.
I think it was always assumed that I wanted number 9. I knew about Paul and what he did in Anaheim. I wasn’t really concerned with it. Before a game last year, Bob Murray came in and said, "You’re wearing nine tonight." I just kind of said, "ok." It’s nice to wear a number you’ve always worn, but at the same time, I was fine with 54 and would have kept that one if needed be.
Some people think the number should be available and others don’t. How thinking a number is retired somehow morphs into a guy is disrespecting history seems a bit of a leap to me.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think so. The entire comment still reveals the same sentiment: That he just doesn’t care, or, to be more accurate, he is indifferent. If he was fine with 54, why didn’t he stick with 54? Probably because he really wanted to wear 9.
Again, no team retires a number while the player is still playing. The onus is on the player to know not to wear someone else’s number. No player will tell another guy not to wear his number, because it would appear petty, which is the last thing Kariya needed to look like to Anaheim fans.
Respect means going out of your way to accommodate a person who has earned that respect. He shouldn’t have asked in the first place. He shouldn’t have put Kariya in that position.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion
It sounds like he respected Paul, and the history, and really wanted the number. He didn’t have to ask Paul, but he did. He’s never been anything but deferential to his elders in this game. I think the guy has tons of respect.
We’re just going to disagree on this point.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
He talked to Paul
I knew I had read this before.
http://ducks.ocregister.com/2009/03/06/ducks-ryan-happy-to-succeed-kariya-as-no-9/8135/
"I know Paul from skating with him in the summer," Ryan said. "I told him I’d like to wear it here. He wasn’t anything but supportive. I don’t think it’s something he’ll look at it like ‘Who’s this guy wearing my number?’ I think he’ll be OK with it.
"It’s an honor for me to follow after him — that’s for sure."
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
You can try to read into it however you like if that makes you feel better, but you certainly aren’t acquainted with the intimacy of my fandom.
It’s not just some number; it’s Kariya’s number. The most influential player in the history of our franchise; the guy who put us on the map. It belongs in the rafters, not on his back. If he was a stand up guy, he probably would have recognized that and removed it after Kariya retired. It would have been the right thing to do.
I don’t dislike bobby ryan just because he wears Kariy’s number. It’s just a reason that makes me comfortable in my dislike of him. I don’t like bobby because he’s a small player stuck in a big player’s body, and everyone seems to love him for it. The guy would have to slaughter puppies in front of Ponda Center for people to think he made a bad play on the ice.
In the end, I’ve followed the Ducks since their inception, and they’ve always been a team that doesn’t hide from their history. I think letting bobby strut around in the 9 is a slap in the face to Kariya. If they are willing to allow that, then this might not be the organization I thought it was. I’m allowed to feel that way.
So you think that its a slap in Kariya’s face even though he said Bobby could wear it when Bobby asked? I guess we are all free to our opinions.
And on the fandom im just saying how your comments come across.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t remember Bobby asking Kariya. I’m looking for a news article right now to find it. However, as I said above, what is Paul supposed to say?
who the f… cares what some fans think kariya did to them.
Without Paul Kariya, those ducks we watch right now would not play in Anaheim.
I don’t care about any other of that “class”. The first number going to the rafters off 8, 35, 27 and 9 should be the 9. without a doubt.
And if Bobby refuses to change his number, then we should send George after him..
by Freakle on Jan 21, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont understand why everyone thinks #27 should be retired. i just dont get it.
by BennyLightning on Jan 21, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still looking
but yes, Bobby was aware of Kariya’s history as a Duck.
http://ducks54.blogspot.com/2010/04/interview-with-bobby-ryan-part-1.html
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly think we put WAY to much into a players numbers. I remember last year there was a big debate that too many numbers were being retired. It used to be reserved to players who changed the game or were worlds above everyone else when they played. As much as kariya did, and I love Kariya, he was not the historical figure that some players are. Also Daniel, I feel like Evander Kane is a player you said you would like to get. He wears #9 for a team that originally RETIRED THE NUMBER. Now obviously the actual franchise was pheonix but it was retired as a jet. Using the fact that Ryan wears #9 to make it easier to dislike a Guy is pretty childish in my opionion. Much the same as blaming Kariya for leaving the way he did. Ryan wearing #9 does not diminish what Kariya did for the franchise. In all honesty Kariya was probably flattered that Ryan wanted to wear is number.
by DavidBL on Jan 21, 2012 2:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just a note for the new Jets team.
The original Jets had retired Dale Hawerchuk’s #10 jersey, but the new Jets had no retired jerseys (like you said above). Bryan Little was wearing #10 in Atlanta, and he voluntarily gave it up, not because Hawerchuk said he couldn’t have it (he actually said it was fine), but because he felt like he would disrespect the history of the game if he wore #10 for the “Jets”.
I thought that was kind of cool.
As I said earlier, I dislike Bobby for many reasons, but the fact that he wears 9 just makes it easier for me to really dislike him.
I think there’s a difference in that they aren’t the same franchise. If Kane came here and tried to wear 9, I’d dislike him too, but not as much as I dislike Bobby, because the number isn’t the ONLY reason I dislike Bobby.
Also, I agree with JuMowbray, Little chose not to wear the number and I think that’s something a classy player does.
Im gonna miss a good chunk of the game.. picking my son up. Hopefully they play good!
As for the rumored blake trade… majorly undecided on if that’s a good or bad thing
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 1:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
How are the boys looking so far?
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 1:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Not a whole lot of time in the ofensive zone.
Teams still seem to be feeling each other out although the Ducks are blocking a ton of shots.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm.. ok, hopefully they can get some hood shots on net
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 1:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
does
anyone have a stream for this game at adhte theres a ’’ducks’’ game but it’s really just san jose and nucks game with gay swede annoucers
Try frontrowsports.com
Do a search, I may have the website wrong, but its something like that.
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 1:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we are currently in development. please check back soon
…. thanks anyway( sigh)
Huh.. that’s odd.. that’s the site I always use. I can’t think of the others I’ve used. Sorry.
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
Both him and Anderson are making important stops.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well that’s good.. be better if anderson wasn’t though. Lol
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
how
fast was charas shot in the skills comp… a guy (Aleksandr Rjazantsev) shot the puck at 183,67km/h (114,127247 mph). in the KHL skills comp?
I believe Character was clocked at 105+ last year. Shouray was clocked even higher a few years ago in a private skills comp in Edmonton. How the shot speed is measured can also affect the outcome. I wouldn’t put it past the KHL to fluff up their speeds to try and create an image that the khl is as good or better than the NHL.
by DavidBL on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
lol
most of the guys in KHL are NHL rejects so I don’t see how anyone would think KHL is a tougher league….
INTERMISSION QUESTION #1
Who is your favourite Duck of all-time?
Bonus question: When did you become a Ducks fan?
haha nah
I’d say Giguere or Selanne but the Ducks have been my team since probably 1999
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
February 2009
Bobby Ryan. I think it’s just a matter of when I became a fan and the media that was available about this team when I did. I didn’t know about Anaheim Calling then (BoC was the only Ducks-related SB Nation blog at the time) and the stuff I read there and the Register was all very pro-Ryan.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I know
It’s why I never run Cup smack (except when I’m feeling particularly ornery). I don’t really feel it’s right for me to claim 2007 since I wasn’t interested in hockey at all then (although I do remember cheering for the Ducks at an Angels game where they showed highlights of them winning one of the SCF games).
I wish I would have discovered hockey sooner, but I was just never exposed to it. I went to a Gulls game in San Diego once when I was young, and I couldn’t stand it.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hm, true. After the 06-07 team, that was the only team I really liked because they didn’t have the Bertuzzi’s, Bergeron’s and Weight’s.
April 09 was when I was considering getting a new Ducks jersey, and since I am born on 9/9, I heavily favoured getting Bobby. Then when I saw his first playoff goal (when he leapt over Nabokov and put it away), I went and got it. It’s signed now. It’s awesome.
i would love to get one signed … hopefully i can catch a ducks game live next year…. we will see.
my newest jersey is the third with fowler on it :)
My signed Bobby third is one of my most beloved possessions
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Being a season ticket holder does have its perks
I basically have two autograph opportunities a year. Faceoff Fest and the Knott’s Berry Farm party.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
I say this a lot to people
But 2009 was the best year in hockey. We may not have won in the playoffs but from a different perspective where you hold no allegiances to any team, the matchups and games in the playoffs were just awesome
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
who was more
dominat duck or sens in the first period?
And IMO, the third best goal in Ducks history behind the Teemu backhand winner, OT, game 5 against Detroit, and Kariya “Off the floor, on the board!”
They had a wide open rebound in the first and Alfreddson shot it high
They’re giving us some life. But we’re having a hard time getting any prolonged possessions in their zone.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYY (Assist bobby)
Great tick-tack-toe passing play
Could that have been a set play?
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM PST reply actions
Yup I said
Just Logged in and the poison scored
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 2:12 PM PST reply actions
Bobby gets the team a PP by drilling a guy
Hillarious.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:17 PM PST reply actions
Whatever works. Michalek should have tossed that puck to the boards. It was a pretty stupid play by Milan.
Totally
I just think it’s funny how it played out.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Very smart play there by Ryan
Michalek had nowhere to put the puck, so hit him into the net
Fight on!
I’m a little sad that Fowler had all that time and there was no one in front of the net. Our PP can’t continue to fail lik this.
Who?
Who is the guy that did the cheap shot on niedemayer back in 2007 that the fans are booing according to the radio? I am a new fan from Ireland
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 2:30 PM PST reply actions
Hey
Cheers! Enjoying this so far even if radio is delayed:)!
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
No stream of the game? It is a solid game so far for sure.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ah cursed internet
My internet is on the fritz, radio is best option at the moment, an irish channel is showing hockey but its just been candien teams so far so have not seen anaheim, would appreciate a good feed for future though!
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Alright ill try to find one for you next game if im here or another person here probably could also.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Cheers
Yeah cool I was not too sure about this game thread thing but seems cool thanks man
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
God knows we’ve kicked enough pucks into our own goal.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
What is it about Senators defencemen that makes them want to score for us?
by bhlloy on Jan 21, 2012 2:31 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Someone smack Hayward for comparing Bobby Ryan for Mario Lemieux. Honestly, Bobby is a good player, but come on, Super Mario??
He compared that move to him. He didn't say that he was as good as him.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sorry, it’s not the same thing. I’ve seen that move, and I saw that one, and maybe it’s an echo, but it’s a comparison that shouldn’t be made.
From a rhetorical perspective, you mention two players in the same sentence to draw a similarity, and there shouldn’t be one there.
I didn’t ever see him play so I don’t know how similar of a move that was but I don’t see why a particular trait of a player can’t be the same as a great player and be pointed out if it indeed is similar. Its not like he is immune to having other players have similar moves as his (mimic his moves). Thats actually what players do is coming up mimic GREATS moves as they try to get better. Example: Kobe Bryant and Micheal Jordan.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
2-0 going into the 3rd, an afternoon game, and we’re playing a solid game against Ottawa. It sure feels like 2007.
Oh yeah, that. At least if we can put these Sens away, and get some help from some other teams tonight, we can move up.
With some consistent winning, we can “top-out” higher than teams like Colorado, Phoenix and Minnesota. We have a few more games in hand, but we just have to put away the 4 point games and easy wins. It’s not impossible. I even made a spreadsheet if you want to see.
Not impossible
But I’m not counting on the Ducks making the playoffs. We basically have to win 75% of our games from now until the end of the season. I just can’t see this team winning three out of four from now until April. We are going to end up like New Jersey last season. Terrible start, replace the coach, go on a hot streak and miss the playoffs because of how awful the first half of the season was.
Fight on!
a better position for what? to not make the playoffs and have only a mid round pick?
That would probably be worse than losing (for the franchise-not eyes and soul)
by BennyLightning on Jan 21, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
I believe we’ll make the playoffs, but if you want the Ducks to just lose so they can have a better pick, I can’t see how you’re even a Ducks fan. You cheer them through and through, who cares what pick they have.
I’m not saying I won’t cheer them no matter what, and I don’t think Benny’s going to stop either, but the playoffs would be a miracle, like 1980 USA beats Russia Miracle.
nope wont stop. supporting a team isnt like a marriage. you cant just walk out on the your team
by BennyLightning on Jan 21, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the point is, i cant see them making the playoffs. Its a huge leap of faith to suggest they can win as mush as they need to, and other teams will lose, as much as we need them too.
As for the picks, ive supported teams that have traditionally sat in the middle of the pack and thus drafted mid round, they traditionally stay there. Im not saying losing is good, im saying for a gain to made from this season, it might be a 1 step back, 2 steps forward scenario
by BennyLightning on Jan 21, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
One can want there team to win each game and chear them on (I did the Colts) but knowing that your not making the playoffs you still want as high a draft pick as possible. From a franchise perspective its just fact that a midround pick without a playoff birth is worse than losing more and getting a higher draft pick. It doesn’t mean you want to lose but you have an understanding of the positives for your franchise if you do lose so therefore are less upset when you think of the consiquences going forward. Example I hated to see my colts lose and rooted for them every game to win it. But at the end of the season knowing we had a great draft slot I was less upset than I would have been if we had won 4 more games and had a mid round pick and not made the playoffs cause with a higher pick we have a much better chance of making the team better next year.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I understand. But Anaheim has done very well without using their 1st round choices from the Burke era. I posted this the other day on the TSN forums. 575 games between the 29 Burke picks. 6 players ever donned a Ducks uniform, with Bobby being the best. The 5 others that put on the webbed-D had 26 goals and 32 assists through 280 games. Any prospect that produced for the Ducks is just a cherry on top. I’d rather win than have a high pick with the brains in the FO and scouting dpt. we have.
There are different and better brains there this time. Plus, there’s a chance that 1-8 or 10 this year will be loaded with top talent. What if we end up playing ourselves to 12 or 14 and we miss a sure thing?
I’d doubt that would happen. I think the top 16 are all very good, and have a chance at making the NHL with a year or two of minor-league seasoning.
Plus, if we picked out of the top 10, we have still have enough brain-power to make a good pick (like Rackell last year).
Rackell is still to be determined.
Also looking at he top players in the league, they are predominately top picks. The reason this frnachise is still her eis because of a former high pick. These picks can help us.
As for winning…this team has already done to much losing. Dont get me wrong i hope they win every game and make the playoffs, that would be my first choice. But sadly, i just cant see that happening. Hence the musing about whether winning is really a good thing?
by BennyLightning on Jan 21, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
The most marketable players in the NHL are high draft choices, not the best.
The absolute best player in this league wasn’t even a 1st round draft choice.
I don’t think Datsyuk is the best player in the league. A healthy Crosby is probably the best player in the league. I’d even put Lidstrom ahead of Datsyuk.
Also, European players tend to be undervalued because they play in Europe. The majority of great players in the league are high picks. There are anomalies both ways, but the majority are top picks.
I suppose, but it’s stupidity to assume that you will pick a very good player with a high pick. You might, but there will always be the Kostitsyn’s, the Jessiman’s and the Filatov’s.
But while a top draft pick is never a garuntee in any league the probability of that top pick panning out is greater than it is for the lower pick.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s equally stupid to assume you will always be able to find a Datsyuk in the later rounds.
Then what’s your point? Picking higher is usually better than picking later, isn’t it? The argument against having a high pick is that you can get a dud. You’re more likely to get a dud if you pick later, because most of the best picks are gone.
In that case, I just don’t see your point then.
My point is that it’s always better for the Ducks to win. We don’t need a top 5 pick on this team. What’s better is if we can get the younger guys scoring and finding chemistry, with the confidence of winning. That’s what did the best for G and P.
There will always be players that are valuable in later slots and rounds. Your Datsyuks, Giroux, DSP’s and Laich’s. Not having a top 10 pick isn’t the end of the world in the NHL draft these days.
It’s not bad either. Getting some chemistry for guys is nice, but getting an impact player of the level of a Hall, or Nugent Hopkins is very rare as well.
You can find good players later in the draft, but I don’t think anyone would ever prefer to pick lower. Let’s face it, we probably aren’t going to make the playoffs, and usually the reward is a high pick. High picks aren’t guarantees, but never is development. A lot of things can go wrong. The reality is that the Ducks are in a no win situation.
no bobby was drafted behind the second best player… :P
by BennyLightning on Jan 21, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
INTERMISSION QUESTION #2
Apart from the Ducks, what is another team that you enjoy watching?
(Not sure if this has been asked lately. If it has, sorry.)
The Bruins. I grew up in the Boston area so I bandwagon on the B’s. I’d be very surprised if they don’t repeat as cup champions.
@Freakle and Crabby, did you catch the Ference hit from earlier today? To me, they seem like a dirty team.
I live 2 hours from boston. Born and raised here yet I don’t like any new england teams. Lol
by Hockey Phreak on Jan 21, 2012 2:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I like Pittsburgh
The city, I mean. Although I hate the Steelers, which is strange…
But yeah, the Wings/Penguins cup was the first one I ever really watched and cared about. And since I hated Detroit, I sort of enjoyed rooting for Pittsburgh. I watched one of their games last night, as a matter of fact.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll gladly bandwagon my hometown Maple Leafs if they get their act together. The Pens are cool too. Boston is fun, the way they made the Canucks implode last year made me their number 1 fair weather “cheer for only if they’re playing the west (excluding Anaheim)” fan
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Really? I’ve been turned off the Leafs with all these stupid rumours. I used to enjoy going to games and stuff, but a lot of their fans are just idiots.
I know what you mean
I hate a lot of Leaf fans too, especially with all their “KOMI AND KADRI FOR BOBBY” nonsense but that franchise has been tortured for the past half-decade. I almost feel obliged to root for them now that they’re in a position to finally make it
by Dixie Normus on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
That chemistry advert is so bad. Even if we weren’t so far away from another cup
by bhlloy on Jan 21, 2012 2:40 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Hmmmm...
One thing I like is how our Offense has gotten more dangerous it seams from the first period to the 2nd to the 3rd.
We
We seem to have not been under too much pressure all game even when we had pk units out, I am just waiting to jynx this
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 3:01 PM PST reply actions
He is new so you may need to explain Magumbo idk.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
They had a good amount of pressure early but since then we have continued to improve this game on that end. Our PK unit has done a great job all year (9th in the league).
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure why we started sitting back. Haven't been doing that most of the year.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Ottawa has poured it on, too
I think it’s a combinationof both
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
See!
God tempted to burn this now, shhhii…damn delay
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 3:10 PM PST reply actions
Come on guys
More time in their zone, please
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:12 PM PST reply actions
Hell of a blast by Perry
He got everything into that.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:13 PM PST reply actions
Wow we got a break on a penalty call. Even the refs like Boudreau more than Carlyle
by bhlloy on Jan 21, 2012 3:23 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Getzlaf did a lot for us to win in those last two minutes. He played like a good captain.
by Daniel AC on Jan 21, 2012 3:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
WOOHOO!!!
15 points in 8 games! Hell yeah!
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:25 PM PST reply actions
Three Stars
3) Beauch
2) Bobby
1) Perry
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:25 PM PST reply actions
Good to see Jonas get some recognition
He was solid all night.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I still stand by Perry
His first goal was clutch
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
The media apparently disagrees
His assist made the first goal happen, though whether it was on purpose or not is completely up for debate.
He had some good, tenacious plays tonight. Was physical and had a few takeaways. I can understand him being a star, but getting the first star was a surprise to me.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think a star is out of the question either, but first star is a bit much. That’s all I"m saying.
yea didn't think Bobby was first star.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I totally agree
I guess the assist and pushing Michaelek in the crease to get the PP stuck in their heads.
I still think Perry should have gotten it.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Also had some big plays down the stretch fighting to get the puck out of the zone on the last minute and a half.
by MoralesHomers on Jan 21, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Well I got two of the three players right
Just not the order.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Actual three stars
3) Beuach
2) Hiller
1) Bobby
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Hope to get more into this
Right good win guys good night!
by Sir-Drunk-A-Lot on Jan 21, 2012 3:29 PM PST reply actions
I've seen him making fewer mistakes
He’s also taking smarter shots in the offensive zone.
by PhantomPretender on Jan 21, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
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