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To Rebuild or Not To Rebuild, or Should We Fire Murray?

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Things have been spiraling out of control for the Ducks since a four game winning streak after losing the first game of the season. In all sincerity, the team has been awful from almost the word go. As such the inevitable has arrived: the Ducks are going to start selling assets. Jen recently linked to this Puck Daddy article that revealed Murray's plans to make everyone, except Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu, available for trade. Increasing the angst for Anaheim fans, Jeff Miller and Eric Stephens discussed the merits of making a major deal, and then wondered out loud if Murray was even the GM to do it. Miller went so far as to offer this tidbit arguing that the "G" in RPG needs to be the one shown the door.

Most know where I fall on a majority of these discussions, but every now and then, I suppose it's good to check in with a more thorough explanation. Therefore, this is my take on three key issues: Trading one of RPG, whether the team should rebuild, and whether or not Murray is the GM to do it. In the immortal words of Shakespeare, "I will bite my thumb, let them take it as they list."

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On Trading One of the Big Three

First, I have a small bone to pick with Jeff Miller. It's not that he wants to trade Ryan Getzlaf. I truly believe that there is always some argument to trade any player. However, he doesn't do a great job justifying why it should be Getzlaf other than to say he's the captain. Getzlaf is certainly having a bad year, but who on the Ducks isn't? Selanne is more than meeting expectations. I think Koivu has been fantastic as well. Perry is close, but he's on his way to his worst point totals in the past 3 seasons. They could both get hot and approach 70 point seasons, but that won't help us make the playoffs. Bobby Ryan is on pace for the worst season of his career. Why not trade him? I understand Getzlaf is the captain, and he shoulders some blame for how this has turned out. However, I don't think he should be singled out for a bad year, when everyone is having a bad year. The stats are not a sufficient argument, especially when you consider that he's the top playoff producer of the big 3. If you take out his first playoff appearance, as a rookie, He's averaged a point per game in the playoffs.

Getzlaf is an impact player having a bad year. We shouldn't move him based on one bad year. I've noticed a marked difference in his effort since the arrival of Boudreau, but sometimes things still don't click. He doesn't look like himself. We should make sure he can't go back to his old self before we give up on him. More importantly, Getzlaf and Perry have been together since they came out of Junior. They are a package deal. You can trade Getzlaf now, but do you think the team he goes to isn't going to make sure they have enough cap space in case Perry decide he doesn't like playing in Anaheim without his friend? The best way for the Ducks to keep two of the big three is going to be to keep Getzlaf and Perry. Let's be honest, Bobby has always been the odd man out. He didn't want to adapt to the twins when he was put on the top line. He's never had a real place on this team. Is it his fault? Probably not. Is it bad for the Ducks? Maybe. Getzlaf has been a proven playoff performer. His first year as the top center he led us to an upset of the Sharks and pushed the Wings to seven games. In his first chance to be an impact playoff performer Bobby Ryan got suspended. That makes this decision easy for me. I think Bobby fetches you the best return without risking the core of the team. Which brings us to the next question.

On Rebuilding

The Ducks don't need to rebuild. They have a very solid core that is missing key pieces. The revelation that Rick Nash is willing to waive his no trade clause if asked, makes a trade even sexier. Bobby Ryan and pieces for Nash? Please and thank you. Alright, that deal isn't getting done without our first rounder this year and that's tragic for us. Still, you get the idea.

Here's a quick rundown of what the Ducks have: Getzlaf, Ryan, Perry, Holland, Etem, DSP, Fowler, Sbisa, Schultz, Beauchemin and Palmieri. Mix in the extra prospects/border line players, and you have Sexton, Beleskey, Bonino, Clark, Vatanen, Bobkov, Gibson, Rakell and Friberg. The Ducks have more forward than they have future positions on the team. The Ducks have the pieces to make a move, but Murray simply hasn't made it. More importantly, he has two good chips in Lubomir Visnovsky and Toni Lydman who can help him anchor a better deal with his prospects. The pieces are there for the Ducks to be a good team. What they need is a top defender, and some good, defensive-minded, depth forwards. The depth is awful, but the core is there.

In my own opinion, this is a team that has had a bad season due to the fact that management ignored serious flaws because of over achievement. The core of the team isn't the problem, it's the inability of that core to have quality players put up around it. Rebuilding is not the path this franchise needs to go. Adding a number one or two overall pick to a core of players, and then augmenting the roster more by moving fringe pieces like Lubo, Lydman or a key piece like Bobby will yield the best results going forward. But that leaves the key question...

On Bob Murray

Murray exhibits the characteristic I like least in a GM: a lack of accountability. The man blames the players for everything that goes wrong. It's certainly true that players have to take responsibility for some of their performance on the ice, but where's the GM admitting that he might have made a few mistakes along the way? Murray mostly postures and threatens the guys on the ice, and then makes moves that don't address the teams needs. For a rundown of how inexplicable and frustrating Murray can be look here and here. I noted in my post, the second "here", that Murray is the type of guy who goes around the block to get next door. Arthur then commented how that is the truly frustrating part.

Even if every problem eventually gets fixed. And even if we got better value in the fix than we gave up (and so far, we haven’t), what about the time spent walking around the block? Do we ever get value worth an entire season out of the playoffs or an entire season watching a hodgepodge defense struggle? Will the fixes ever come at the same time, such that we have a strong team headed into the postseason?

Murray's movement of assets is like watching a shell game: he keeps moving the asset around, but you never see it turn into anything except that single asset. It never gets improved, and he expends energy to get the same or worse. His big off season move to improve scoring depth was to get a third line player that Edmonton didn't want. His big improvement for an over achieving defense was to swap Andy Sutton for Kurtis Foster, who Edmonton didn't want. The cash he saved he then used to over pay Andrew Cogliano.

The team under Murray's tenure can best be described as a revolving door of spare parts. He inherited a good core and did absolutely nothing with it. You can say Burke left him in a bad position, but I don't think it's a sufficient excuse. Little Bowman, I refuse to call him anything else, inherited a worse situation in Chicago and completely retooled that team on the fly, and we have a higher cap hit than they do. To be fair, they're spending almost 10 million more in cash, but Bowman also did a good job of identifying key players and spending money on them. It should be easier for the Ducks to overpay for middle talent with so many ELCs in the system right now. In all honesty, the best moves Murray has made as GM are Sbisa's contract and listening to his scouting staff during the draft. I don't think Murray is the GM of our future. This should be his last season, and let's hope he doesn't mess up one more trade on his way out.

To summarize, Getzlaf is having a bad year and should probably be considered untouchable, if for no other reason than what we do with him might affect if we can keep Perry. The team doesn't need to be rebuilt, it just needs someone to oversee an effective summer of maintenance. Finally, Bob Murray is not the person to move this team forward, and I won't miss him.

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great piece

I’m loving this writeup, Daniel. I have been frustrated reading article after article blaming Getzlaf for the teams struggles. Like you said the whole team is struggling, and its safe to say that its due to the structure of the roster, or lack thereof.
You are spot on in saying last year’s surprising push masked the holes and shortcomings of this team… Perry will likely never see the same success he had last year. Teemu was nothing short of mind blowing. But the core of a team can only overcome the lack of a supporting cast for so long, and now its showing. We shouldn’t be dwelling in the cellar of the NHL, but in hindsight its not surprising that this team has not come close to matching the ‘4th seed in the west’ expectations.
Anyways, to point the finger at Getzlaf is ridiculous. The franchise saw Getz as the future for us, and I believe he still is. I don’t necessarily agree with the ‘C’, but to take it from him now would be detrimental to both the way he is percieved by his team and his own confidence. If the whole team is blowing it this year, then the whole team is blowing it. It’s not because the captain isnt a leader, or because he doesn’t have command over his guys on the ice. Keep Getzlaf, replace the GM with one who can tweak the roster over the offseason just enough the provide the core with the support needed for a postseason run.

by SoCal12 on Jan 7, 2012 12:57 PM PST via Android app reply actions   1 recs

Youve continually made a point about Getzlaf being a playoff performer, and i dont necessarily disagree with that. The problem i do have is that (and not just this year) he tends to go missing in regular season games. I dont just mean putting up points, i mean there are some games that i just dont notice a 6’4 monster on the ice, and i dont think that is acceptable for the captain of any team. Does that mean he should be traded? Maybe not. Most likely it means he just shouldnt be the captain of the club (yet). But the return we the franchise could net upon trading Getzlaf should be looked at. Almost certainly we wouldnt get a single player of equal value, in trading superstar players this is never going to happen, but it might net a number of very good pieces that could make us a better team by committee. I also think people are making too much out of friendship between Getzlaf and Perry, they presumably are grown men (i know calling an athlete a grown man, might be an oxymoron) so im sure they can make their own decisions, and as such may or may not resign here regardless of whether one or the other is here.

I agree that the ducks dont need a complete rebuild. In fact id suggest that they are already in the middle of one. Say what you will about Murrays role in the draft, but the past couple have been very good for us. It may take a few years for it to bear fruit but i think we can all see a future for DSP, fowler, Etem, and there are a few other nice pieces that may work out. We’re currently giving game time to some of these players, and have rotated others through here and syracuse. Youth is a big foundation of any rebuild.
Even if we dont use these drafted players in the big club, we have accumulated enough of them to turn them into other players that we do need. I am of the belief that we can do this without trading away any of the RPG line (although no reason not to listen to offers on them). He may have done it in an ass about fashion, but murray has put us in a position to make some nice moves and put us in a position to win as early as next year and seriously challenge in the future…If he can make the right moves now.

Do i think Murray has been a terrible GM…no. He has shed cap space, and say what you will, but has drafted well. Admittedly, i didnt like moving pronger, but moving him has allowed us to pick up some very nice pieces for the future. Ok he let one of these pieces go to toronto where hes now shooting the lights out (im not at all bitter….), but the picks allowed us to draft some potential future guns. As for toronto, the giggy move there has arguably worked out for us, as blake is still playing (ok at an expensive price tag) and we moved Toskala for a minor asset also. Hes made some ok moves like picking up emery (and should have kept him in my opinion). Having said that i can see all the bad moves his made, im just defending him a bit as everyone has jumped on him, as they jumped on carlyle, and now getzlaf.
so do i think hes done a bad job, no. is he the GM to win us a SC….probably not. If we dont see changes at the deadline, then i would suggest he goes also. but ill give him this season to right the ship

by BennyLightning on Jan 7, 2012 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

I’ve seen guys like Toews, Crosy and Ovechkin be bottled up for entire games too. I’m not buying the regular season argument. It happens to everybody. As I pointed out on a different thread, last season Toews disappeared from the stat sheet more than Getzlaf did. Toews is widely held as the gold standard. If Getzlaf can produce as, if not more, often than he does, I don’t see how the intangible argument comes into play. In other words, if Getzlaf makes up for the intangible by producing more, I don’t see what the real problem is. It’s unrealistic to think any player has an impact on 82 games in a season.

I don’t know how the friendship thing works out all the time, but I do remember seeing Selanne and Kariya take less money to play together in Colorado…just saying.

Murray has accumulated assets through the draft, but he’s also shown a penchant to sit on assets until their value is at their absolute lowest, guaranteeing a minimal return. What could he have gotten for Descahmps if he would have moved him sooner or packaged him with something else? Murray is turning Anaheim fans into Brooklyn Dodger fans: “Wait ’til next year!”. That’s the problem. We keep looking around the corner for the big moves that never come. He’s going to strangle this team to the bottom of the conference and turn us into Chicago. By that team, we’ll be forced to part with all of the big 3 because they won’t want to play here anymore.

Murray did clear some cap space, but so what? What has he done with that space. He didn’t just move Lupul to Toronto, he used Gardiner as the bow on the package. The Giguere trade was Burke trying to remedy a situation he helped create, and Burke got paid back for that, when he fleeced us for Beauchemin. He’s had more than enough time to right the ship, and instead seems content to row in circles.

by Daniel AC on Jan 7, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The “intangibles” should be as big a part of the argument as point production. I would argue that a player like mike richards’s defensive play prevents opposition scoring, where as Getzlafs play often directly results in opposition scoring. Do they balance out? maybe. Depends on the team. When we had Scotty and Pronger Getzlaf could get away with alot, now that we dont, and need a better all round defence (starting with the forwards making smarter plays with and without the puck) he cant. Not saying hes not a brilliant player, im saying he needs to alter his style of play, or we need to find 2 hall of fame players to cover his ass and make him look good, or preferably both. Im not entirely sold on the trading him bandwagon, but i definately would have a look at whats available.

It also equally possible that they both want too much money and we cant resign them both, or that we do and it handcuffs the team financially. Or that we resign them long term for the same price as they currently cost. Im not part of team management so i dont know what they are currently thinking, but i think that its foolish to not make a move on the off chance that said persons friend will leave also. Sure its a factor, but shouldnt be the overriding factor.

I dont disagree that he could have packaged Deschamps, and that move may still come (obviously not with Deschamps but you know what i mean). But to pull two paragraphs together, he has accumulated cap space and cut salaries (which he was most likely ordered to do by his boss), but what big move should he have made? Id argue that of the free agent classes in the past 2 years, that this is the first year that there are truly desirable big ticket guys (for us). Sure there were smaller guys to sign, i would have loved to pick up white. But maybe he did offer him a deal? If i was a pro, and didnt surf, id choose detroit over anaheim as well. As for strangling this team into a perennial bottom dweller…thats conjecture, and he would probably have to move all of the RPG line for nothing for that to happen. Like i said, i dont think murray will take us to the promised land, but hes also likely done exactly what hes been told to do, and deserves a shot at this trade deadline to make a move.

And i truly doubt Burke was giving us a hand. Not saying he wouldnt, but i have too much respect for him as a professional in business to think that he was helping out a mate. He moved 2 players he didnt want, we moved one whos salary we couldnt afford. the salaries matched. of course thats just an opinion, i dont know either man personally, so i shouldnt comment.

by BennyLightning on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I forgot to add that I think Bobby is the only one of the RPG line we could trade without disaster. Having said that, I don’t think we should make a trade until we have a new GM who knows how to stretch the dollar and get the better end of trades, this way we may be able to trade small pieces for medium pieces, and end up with a stronger, deeper supporting cast (and maybe some reliable stay at home defenders… we don’t need anymore young puck movers with upside).
I can only hope it plays out similarly to this… :)

by SoCal12 on Jan 7, 2012 1:07 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

Aside from loving the man

I still think trading Bobby would really piss off the fans. I know you can’t run a team solely based on what the fans want, but it’s an important consideration. I know he’s not the most valuable of the three but for some reason, I think he’s the most popular with the fans. It ccould be because he’s American or because he has the ability to score highlight reel goals. But he is absolutely adored by the fan base. Trading him would likely cause so,e significant blowback from the fans.

by PhantomPretender on Jan 7, 2012 1:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I’m ok with that. People get over things like that. Bobby isn’t nearly as loved as Teemu was when Teemu got traded, and the franchise survived.

by Daniel AC on Jan 7, 2012 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That goal probably added to his trade value right now too. in minds eye and all

by BennyLightning on Jan 7, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that people will eventually get over it

but for a team that’s already struggling with attendance issues, trading away a popular guy (when you technically don’t need to yet) could put the Ducks even further behind the financial 8-ball.

At some point, one of them will likely have to go for money reasons. I just don’t think we’re there yet and I don’t think most casual fans would understand the money reasoning this far out.

by PhantomPretender on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if Getz doesn’t get traded his “C” needs to be removed! And if Murray finally gets fired put Scotty Neids in as GM.. A proven leader that probably has the a nack for finding good defensemen and signing top FAs.. Bobby is the asset that is most likely to be moved but there’s two reasons why this could potentially be a horrible decision.. One is that if he is moved at the deadline.. It’ll be for prospects and picks which screams rebuild.. If ducks rebuild (which goes against your argument but just saying) what are the chances of Getz and Perry staying? If a team signs one there’s a chance the other goes.. Trading bobby leaves a huge “?” in two years.. Secondly bobby is a fan favorite like mentioned earlier.. Idk jersey sales but bobby is probably right behind shamu… Selanne retires and bobby is gone.. Who’s the face? Who is the player that will the fans adore? Perry? Nope no personality.. Getz? He’s not making a good case for himself.. Hiller? “ummm” possibly.. So I agree with Daniel.. Fire Murray.. Hire Scotty in his place.. “fail for nail (if getz stays) or grigorenko (if Getz is traded)” sign a top 2 d man and make him our new captain! Or hire me I’ll do it ha ha

by ShamuSalami on Jan 7, 2012 9:38 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

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