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Armchair GM: Robby's Fire Sale Core Player Trades

[Ed. Note: All weekend, the AC staff will be trading the same five core players for another team(s) core player(s) of equal value. Thanks for forcing us to write this, Bob Murray.]

There are times when I’m convinced Jen makes up these group blog assignments just to torture me. [Ed. Note: True statement.] Now I’m supposed to imagine some kind of trade for Bobby Ryan. And you know the worst thing? I have to trade Bobby for just one player. One player?! That’s like taking the island of Manhattan for a pile of beads. It’s just not equitable value going both ways. And the one player in the world that could save the Ducks this season doesn’t even play hockey. He’s got some playoff game against Pittsburgh on Sunday.

Sigh.

As you’ll see while I’m going through, my biggest priority is defense. I’m not so great at paying attention to what assets are available from other teams or how they value them, but this is my best shot at even swaps.

Ryan Getzlaf for Dion Phaneuf

Toronto has a well-documented center problem and Brian Burke would probably love to get Getzlaf back under the fold. Phaneuf might be a bit of a stretch for Getzlaf, but I think subbing Getz is a solid upgrade over Tim Connoly, Tyler Bozak, or Mikhail Grabovski. I’m also hoping the sudden emergence of Jake Gardiner makes this move a little more palatable for the Leafs. At any rate, this move fills a legitimate need for both clubs.

Corey Perry for Claude Giroux

If I’m giving up one of the best players in the league, then I’m getting one of them back. Giroux would take over the number-one center role and could be an absolute monster for this team moving forward. I have a feeling Perry’s gritty style would be incredibly popular in Philly and Giroux has broken out as a defensive wunderkind this year.

Bobby Ryan for Kevin Shattenkirk

This may be a bit of an overpayment by the Ducks, but I’m trying to think out of the box here. Shattenkirk is a young, offensively minded defenseman that is also a career +8 despite playing for a horrible Avalanche team last season. Bobby, TJ Oshie, and David Backes could make one hell of a line for the Blues, who currently rank 21st overall in goals per game.

Cam Fowler for Marc-Andre Fleury

This could be a bit of a stretch. Fleury is a good, but not elite goaltender in his later 20s while Cam has a lot of potential and is considerably younger. After losing Alex Goligoski last year in the trade to Dallas, and Kris Letang’s perpetual concussion (my fantasy team has a sad), the Penguins could use a young puck-moving defenseman. Since I’m going to be forced to trade Jonas Hiller in a few lines, the Ducks will need a solid goaltender to man the pipes until John Gibson is ready. Fleury seems like a reasonable get. It’s not like I’m trying to trade Fowler for Pekka Rinne or something here.

Jonas Hiller for Jordan Eberle

I’ve only gotten one forward back so far, so it’s time for another. Eberle is a good young player, but he doesn’t seem to have the hype of a Hall of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. The Oilers don’t have the goaltending options in the league and acquiring a goalie like Hiller could be a solid move for them. I don’t pretend to know how highly coveted Eberle is, but this seems like a reasonable get from a team that could use a solid goalie.

As I said at the start, I’m really terrible at trying to measure player value. I realize that it probably seems crazy that I’m asking for relatively little in return for Bobby, but I’m very high on Shattenkirk and that seems like a reasonable trade to me.

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If were talking trades gotta remember to trade with a team in the east. Don’t want the Bryzgalov thing happening again. If were talking of moving Bobby for a defenseman gotta look into Nick Leddy in Chicago, Dougie Hamilton in Boston and Stefan Elliot in Colorado.

by JD54 on Jan 7, 2012 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed on the Dougie Hamilton stance. Maybe one of the only defensive prospects that I would move one of the big-three for. Boston sees him as an untouchable though, largely due to the fact that he’s the heir to the Chara throne.

by JuMowbray on Jan 7, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

At this rate the final Bobby Ryan speculation will be “just put him on waivers”

If you imagine a salt shaker in your hand, tilt your head back
and act like you're shaking salt into your mouth; you will taste salt if you concentrate hard enough.

by brokenyard on Jan 7, 2012 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

I didnt want to be accused of being nuts

By overvaluing him. But come on, Getz for Phaneuf? Who wouldn’t do that?

by PhantomPretender on Jan 7, 2012 9:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn’t and I thought we should have gotten when Calgary was trying to move him. Phaneuf is having a good year, but I don’t know if he’s his old self.

by Daniel AC on Jan 7, 2012 10:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn’t at all. Phaneuf is horrible, I don’t know why anyone would want to trade for that guy. He’s a complete shell of his former self, who shies away from the black-and-blue physical game he used to play in Calgary. I honestly see no value in him here (in Toronto), and would see absolutely no value in him if he played for the Ducks.

by JuMowbray on Jan 7, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to know that he still isn’t playing Physical and is just putting up points. When he first started in Calgary he had all the goods to be the next great defencemen.

by JD54 on Jan 8, 2012 1:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Was there some turning point where he became said shell?

If you imagine a salt shaker in your hand, tilt your head back
and act like you're shaking salt into your mouth; you will taste salt if you concentrate hard enough.

by brokenyard on Jan 8, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Phaneuf might be a bit of a stretch for Getzlaf
Bobby Ryan for Kevin Shattenkirk

okay …. :D thank god that you are not even close to beeing our GM :D

by Freakle on Jan 8, 2012 3:44 AM PST reply actions  

As I said

I’m no professional talent evaluator.

by PhantomPretender on Jan 8, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought Perry for Giroux was a good one. I don’t think Philly would do it, because they’d be too weak up the middle after that, but I think Giroux is exactly the type of player we need around here.

by Daniel AC on Jan 8, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Ryan is definitely worth more than Shattenkirk.

"We want to keep beating them...to break their pride and break their season...is a huge thing for us." - David Legwand

by DonBorvio on Jan 8, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Getz for Phaneuf that’s exactly what is gonna happen, we’ll probably throw in a few prospects just to piss me off more. Do Not Want. Getz is going to be a superstar in this league for a long time baring injury I hope he’s doing it in a duck uniform. We better get a superstar back for him. I do like the Perry 1 but i doubt Phili would be into it.

For how much you love Bobby you have him shipping out for free :) we should get way more then that. I think we should trade him but only cause out of Getz and Perry hes the worst. He’s an amazing player who would be on every teams top line.

by Thyme on Jan 8, 2012 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah I didn't want to do the typical defenseman trade for Bobby

I wanted to think of someone young and full of potential. And I admitted I was trading him for not much.

What if it was David Backes and Shattenkirk? I love how physical that guy is.

by PhantomPretender on Jan 8, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Backes is a great player, but I don’t know if St. Louis parts with him. That’s the frustrating part about trades. Every team values different guys differently. St. Louis is looking like it’ll finally have a good team come playoff time, IF everyone stays healthy. It’s hard to imagine them being in on moving Backes. However, Shattenkirk and Backes for Bobby is a good deal in my mind. Maybe, a pick to sweeten the deal for us.

by Daniel AC on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Also

I’m surprised people are so down on Phaneuf. I thought he was pretty highly regarded as a young, strong defensive defenseman.

by PhantomPretender on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

He was, but he lost some of it in Calgary and he’s only now finding it again in Toronto. I think it’s the sort of situation where people don’t know if he’s going to be as great as he once was. Honestly, packaging Bobby for Phaneuf is a trade I would have loved, especially when Calgary was trying to move him. I think you could have gotten him for Bobby and a first then. I like Phaneuf, but I’d rather have him AND Getzlaf because I think they’d play great together.

by Daniel AC on Jan 8, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

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