Armchair GM: Daniel's Fire Sale Core Player Trades
by Daniel AC on Jan 8, 2012 12:00 PM PST
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Print[Ed. Note: All weekend, the AC staff will be trading the same five core players for another team(s) core player(s) of equal value. Thanks for forcing us to write this, Bob Murray.]
Bob Murray's ill timed decision to put the entire team up for auction will certainly have the desired effect around the blogosphere: trade speculation for everyone! We at Anaheim Calling are no different, and in that spirit I'm embracing this assignment as best I can. Mostly, because I get to trade Bobby Ryan and that makes me happy.
Bobby Ryan for Brooks Laich
Before everyone jumps up and down shouting, "you'd trade a top line player for a borderline second line player?". Laich brings back all my nostalgia from the Cup team. I love everything about his game. He puts in effort, he's defensively responsible and he has a decent scoring touch. With the right linemates, I firmly believe he can be a 60-70 point guy. The guy can can anchor a line from the wing or the middle. To this team, he's a younger, upgrade to Koivu. He's exactly the player we'd need to help bring up guys like Emerson Etem, Devante Smith-Pelly, and Kyle Palmieri. Other Thoughts: P.K. Subban, and Joffrey Lupul
The fact that the Blackhawks pay that guy less than 5 million should be considered cap circumvention. He has a great shot, plays center and the wing, and is just an all around great player. He's the only type of player I'd want to replace Perry. Ok, that one hurt a little. Other Thoughts: Rick Nash and Jarome Iginla
The younger Koivu is also a great playmaker like his brother, and might benefit from playing for a team with some better wingers. Not that Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi are light weights, but I think Mikko and Perry could be a solid combination. Other Thoughts: Anze Kopitar
Cam Fowler for David Krejci
The Bruins want an offensive defenseman, and we have one. Krejci makes good sense considering we need another good center. Krejci would look great shoring up a line behind Getzlaf. Losing Fowler hurts...tons, but we have Justin Schultz in the pipeline and we need to retool the D anyway. Krejci for Fowler is a good move for all parties. Other Thoughts: P.K. Subban and Milan Lucic
Jonas Hiller for Erik Karlsson
This is a tough one. Of all the players on this list, I might consider Hiller to be the one the Ducks absolutely shouldn't move. There really isn't another goalie in the system, so it makes it hard to consider moving him for anything other than another goalie. That would mean the only legitimate option is a Hiller for Ryan Miller deal that I don't necessarily love. Karlsson is another offensive defenseman and that would give the Ducks 3 young ones and make Sami Vatanen all but superfluous. This guy is putting up points that put a lot of forwards to shame. His career -34 in 3 seasons of work is a little terrifying, but it's something that can hopefully be improved upon. Other Thoughts: Ryan Miller
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Kinda sucks to trade for Laich when we could have signed him this offseason.
That Perry trade hurts me too.
I really like the Fowler for Krejci trade. Really like.
I’m a big Hiller supporter and I feel that he’s not doing so good this year because of his team’s play in front of him and the fact that he’s had so little rest.
And I HATE any Getzlaf trade. Sure he has his lapses but I don’t think trading a #1 center is ever a good thing. Nothing good can from it.
Laich signed with Washington before he went ufa. I blame Murray for plenty of things that are his fault so I should at least stick up for him when he can’t really do anything about it.
by Daniel AC on Jan 8, 2012 3:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Fowler has almost no trade value; see my day earlier post on "this core player
trades 1/7 earlier today.
Rangers Staal, Girardi, McDonough, Del Zotto are way out of Fowler’s class.
Ranger’s 2nd tier defensemen Stralman, Bickel, Sauer, Wojitka, Eminger are ALL having better years than
Fowler. Erixon, Valentenko down in Hartford, and Mcilrath in the WHL are all ahead of Fowler if Fowqler
were in the Ranger organization. Fowler is a unique defenseman, he has Lady Byng PM, but guys like
Girardi have ove 200 hits/blocked shot totals with the same amount of PM with comparable pt totals AND MUCH, MUCH BETTER DEFENSIVELY.
Maybe Staal, Sauer, & Erixon for Ryan might work.
Are you really comparing players who are approaching 30 years old to a 20 year old kid who’s in his second season? What are you even comparing? What standard are you using? Fowler has a ton of potential, and all the trade value that comes with it.
by Daniel AC on Jan 8, 2012 7:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
His standard is that defenseman value is based on the heavily arena-biased hits and blocked shots, with +/- and points right behind it.
In other words, pick the worst possible way to evaluate defense, make it 3 times as bad as that, and there’s your standard.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 9, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Way too much overpayment by NYR on that trade. There is absolutely no way they give up Sauer and Erixon in one deal, let alone Staal, Sauer and Erixon.
No, sorry. The guy who was comparing Fowler to everyone in the Rangers system. I don’t think we’ve even talked about Fowler going to the Rangers. Maybe one person mentioned it somewhere, but it certainly hasn’t been a serious topic of discussion around these parts.
Someone proposed trading Fowler for Michael Del Zotto.
by light_the_lamp on Jan 8, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not in this or anyone’s lifetime. Fowler is a lady Byng
type and is a minus 41 halfway thru his 2nd season.
No defenseman in the history of the Ranger franchise has had
poor a record defensivly
I just don’t undertsand what Fowler does on am NHL level in the
NHL. The Ranger’s scouting report on Fowler was that he was a
finesse defenseman who played poorly in his own.. We made that
kind of mistake years ago in drafting Sanguinetti
Nvm, you’re a Rangers fan
Loosely. He hates Staal and perceives him as having no value, so for him, this is nothing to give up.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 9, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Rough. This makes me winder if I should start looking for things Ducks fans say at other blogs.
by Daniel AC on Jan 9, 2012 1:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
George Ays of
Blueshite Banter & his people banned me from their website because 1) I said Boogard was a drug addict before he came to NY (which has since been confirmed by Associated Press), 2) Boogard did not overdose on one oxycodone pill (since confirmed by the New York Times who said Boogard’s apartment was littered by empty bottles of oxycodone and most people abusing oxycodone take 15-20 pills a day, and 3), Aaron Boogard destroyed
the evidence (oxycodone) by flushing it down the toilet when he discovered Derek Boogard’s dead body (again verified by the Associated Press), AND FINALLY BECAUSE I SAID ALL THESE THINGS ON THEIR WEBSITE THEY BELIEVE MSG WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE SITTED AT THE RANGER DRAFT TABLE.
You obviously do not follow hockey, really.
Del Zotto is 20, Staal is 24, McDonough is 22.
Comparable point totals, but +/-, hits, & blocked
shots Fowler is nowheres in their league. Those
3 ranger defensemen have more its/blocked shots in a week than Fowler does in a month.
Erixon doesn’t play in the NHL, because while he is better than Fowler NOW, he
is better suited to play in the AHL.
Bickel,26, Stralman 25, Sauer 23
Bickel is useless, we traded him in the first place. Stralman is also crap, and Sauer is reasonably talented. You have a clouded view of how bad you think Fowler is.
When you judge things by arena biased stats w/ a team with the worst arena bias in the league, well that’ll happen.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Ryan and Anaheim’s #1 this season is all that might be considered in a trade to NY.
Anahein is the worst or next to worst team in hockey for a reason
You really don’t think the Rangers would trade any of Staal, McDonough,Girardi, DelZotto,
or McIlrath for Fowler do you? Not in this or anyone’s lifetime.
Stralman, who was always highly rated, finally blossomed this year with the right coaching.
Sauer & Bickel are big, young, defensive defensemen who bring a physical presence on the ice.
I thing Anaheim fans need to re exmine why their team is in last place. Obviously, their players
and farm system are over rated. Parenteau and Dale Weise were put on waivers by the Rangers
and were immediately scooped up. and are contributing to Vancouver & the Islanders.
If Anaheim were smart, they would try t scoop up Erixo and Sauer as quickly a possible, even at the expense of this year’s #1.
up and are doing well
Oh, and the Rangers gave up 2 number 2 draft choices and 20 yr
old Roman Horak (who has 9 pts for calgary) to get 20 yr old defenseman
6-3, 205 Erixon.
Good, now I’ll respond to you.
Fowler outscored EVERY defenseman on the Rangers last year, all of them. Plus/minus is an overrated stat. Fowler wasn’t responsible for every goal that went in. Also, he did a majority of his scoring on the PP, which leaves a small space for margin of error. Fowler is fantastic working the point on a PP. He’s also very young. Del Zotto is 21 and in his 3rd year of play. Fowler is 20 and in his second year of play, at least according to the NHL. Both players have potential, but Fowler is also one of the best skating defenseman in the league. Plenty of teams would want him, including NYR. He’d at least be an upgrade over Eminger.
Yes, but Fowler is not an upgrade to Del Zotto, Giraqrdi, McDonough, Staal.
Stralman, Bickel, &Sauer in less gms combined still collectively put up much better numbers,
No one is saying Fowler will be better than Tim Erixon and Dylan McIlrath is a 19 yr old talented
policeman type with a 95 MPH slap shot and a plus player on his junior hockey team. EVERYBODY wants McIlrath.
It’s hard to equate players in your argument because of which team all of the names you listed play for.
If MDZ, Girardi, McDonagh, Stralman, Bickel, Erixon, Sauer, all played for Anaheim, they would all have similar stats to what Fowler has, or even worse. But instead, and since they all play in a defensively-responsible team that was built from the net out – with arguably the best Goaltender in the league – they’re all ‘enhanced’.
You honestly can’t tell me that Michael Del Zotto (Michael frickin’ Del Zotto!) would have 5G, 18A and a +25 on the Ducks, can you?
You put Cam Fowler on the Rangers, and he’s immediately a top-3 defenseman, and the next coming of Brian Leetch.
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by red army line on Jan 13, 2012 12:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You are not going to get Erik Karlsson for Jonas Hiller
You will likely see next Saturday why not but the guy is incredible.
Hiller is a talented goalie, but we have one coming up in the wings and Craig Anderson, while not ideal, is playing much better now.
I see zero reason for this happening from Ottawa’s perspective.
I love soft players (especially Europeans) that play on the perimeter. Enigmas are awesome. Grit and heart-and-soul are red flags.
Erik Karlsson is better than your favourite player.
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Yeah, I don't see that happening
The Sens have high hopes for Karlsson, and the team is pretty much being built around him. With Anderson signed for the next three years and Robin Lehner as the most highly-touted goaltending prospect in team history, I don’t think Hiller will get that deal done.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 11, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
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