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Armchair GM: Deadline To Do List

I did a post like this last year, except it had a very different feel. Last year, we were definite buyers in the playoff hunt. This year, we need a miracle to make the playoffs. Yes, it's possible, but it's highly unlikely. This deadline we will be sellers, and we should be. This is a team with a good core that needs an almost complete retooling of complimentary players. Also, the Ducks need to assume that Teemu Selanne will not be here next year. I love Teemu, but Bob Murray has made it clear that he doesn't want to go the extra mile to make his time worth while; he wants the team to over-perform for Teemu. That's unfair to the Finnish Flash. This team won't have a good deadline unless it understands that it needs a complete remodel. In order to do that, we have to give up on the idea that this is a Cup team. As it is now, this is barely a playoff team.

I've broken this one up a little differently. First, I'll list guys we should sell, then I'll follow up with guys who might be good acquisitions to help us move forward. Finally, it makes me sad that Murray can't see the value of a draft pick. If Robby is right, and I take the man at his word, then Murray isn't looking for draft picks at the deadline. Getting NHL ready players is always nice, but a pick can be flipped into an NHL player as well. Hey Bob, remember when you traded a second round pick for Andrew Cogliano...I'm just saying. Draft picks are some of the best currency. They are like cash. Everyone can find a use for them. That's not to say that Murray shouldn't be focused on getting young NHL talent, just that Murray should be open to all assets. This team won't make too many serious moves at the deadline, we'll make them before or near the draft. As such, a few extra early round picks could go a long way. Ok, rant over.

Star-divide

Toni Lydman:

Toni is the guy who definitely needs to go. For a budget team like us, a bottom pair defenseman cannot make 3 million in both cash and cap hit. Lydman was great last year, and he's been serviceable this year. At the end of the day, he simply makes too much money and will be a major hindrance to rebuilding the defense. He should net us a solid prospect and maybe a pick.

Lubomir Visnovsky:

A couple of weeks ago, if you would have told me the Ducks had to trade Lubo, I would have thought you were crazy. Lubo has the type of contract the Ducks can fall in love with. He'll be making 3 million on a 5+ cap hit next year. He's a good offensive defenseman who can change momentum in a game, if he can find some space. He's been pretty invaluable. However, the Hurricanes re-signed Gleason, and the wheels started to turn in my head. There just aren't going to be a lot of great offensive defenseman available at the deadline this year. The Ducks probably have the best one available. That's a boon to a team that needs to reconsider how it's going to move forward with it's D. Not only is Lubo probably the best available option for most teams, but he's also got an extra year left on his deal. That makes him even more valuable. The Ducks could get a second round pick and an NHL player for Lubo, and that's a conservative estimate. Justin Shultz is going to be coming up after his season is over. Mat Clark is in the AHL and probably needs a cup of coffee with the big club as well. We have enough pieces to fill in for the time being. Even if the Ducks are close to the playoffs, it's not worth giving up the great return he would yield for sniff of the playoffs.

Jason Blake and Niklas Hagman:

These guys are the same player in terms of deadline value, except Hagman might be more valuable. According to CapGeek, when a player is waived and claimed on re-entry waivers, then the two teams split his cap and salary 50/50. If the process happens again and a third team claims him, then the original club still pays half and the next two clubs split the other half. This leads me to believe that if Hagman was traded, the Ducks would be trading their half of the 50/50 split with Calgary. In other words, teams can have a player similar to Blake for more than half the price. With these guys, the Ducks will have to sit it out and try to see what other veteran forwards are going for, but I imagine these guys won't have very large returns. I like Hagman and would like to see him stay, but the Ducks need assets. Guys like Blake and Hagamn are good additions to teams looking to make Cup runs; they are complimentary pieces who can provide solid depth scoring.

Guys to get

Jeff Schultz:

I think this is a no-brainer. Schultz was a top 4 defender under Boudreau, and the Caps aren't using us. Chances are he'll cost less than what we get for either Lydman or Visnovsky. Hell, we might be able to get him for Hagman or Blake. He has two years left on a deal with a 2.75 cap hit that pays him 3 million each of the next two seasons. Yes, that's what Lydman costs, but Schultz is a BB product and I think that offsets the cost. This is a player Bruce knows how to use, and got great mileage out of. He has to be a Duck by the deadline, so he can start developing on this team as soon as possible.

Dustin Penner:

Penner is a shadow of a shell of his former self. Los Angeles has not been kind to him. I wonder if L.A parts with him to simply make space for a bigger acquisition at the deadline like Zach Parise. This is a low risk, high reward move for the Ducks. We're only on the hook for a small chunk of that 4.25 salary, and he gets a brief audition to see if there's some old PPG magic left in the tank. If Penner and the twins can still play together, that makes Bobby either expendable, or more valuable as a second line anchor. Both of those options are good for the Ducks. Penner will not get the same money he made on that last contract. If he can be a 20+ goal guy on the top line for less than 3 million, while Bobby is potting 30 with whoever on the second, then the Ducks will have very good scoring depth moving forward. It will also give them more flexibility in developing the young players.

This team isn't undergoing a full rebuild, but they should act like it for a deadline. They need to keep the core pieces, and move the vets that have value. This team probably won't be a contender for at least another season, so Murray should focus on getting good value and thinking about how he is going to use all his new assets to build around this core.

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Kaberle netted a first round pick and an a prospect. As a rental. I think we should see similar or better for Lubo. He had a year left and in my opinion the better player. On top of that its a sellers market.

by DavidBL on Feb 5, 2012 6:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

All reasons why I think parting with Lubo is a necessity for us.

by Daniel AC on Feb 5, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to keep Hagman

He is only 32, he’s got a few more years left in him. Blake, Lydman and Visnovsky are all expendable (although I would be sad about trading Lubo). Hagman can provide a solid veteran presence to the rookies who will get a shot next season. We can’t have an entire line of new guys who have never played for Boudreau to start off the 2012-13 season.

Blake might be worth keeping if he agrees to a cheap deal. I wouldn’t mind him sticking around for a couple more years and playing bottom six minutes at a bottom six price. I think that would be better than just trading him to another team for the sake of trading him. But if the price is right and some team is willing to make a good deal for him, trade him.

Fight on!

by Shackleford on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 PM PST reply actions  

Blake to Washington for Schultz is a deal that I like. Maybe Lydman to LA for Penner? I can’t decide how we should reacquire Penner really. If we trade for hm this year we have pony up assets to get him, maybe not much but enough to make the idea a little less likeable, and we are still stuck with his outrageous salary. On the other hand we would only be stuck with that pro rated salary till the end of the year so if he doesn’ work out, no harm no fowl. On the Flip side if he does regain his chemistry on PPG then he costs us more in FA then if we had just waited in the first place. I do like the idea of getting him just to get Ryan away from Getzlaf, for what ever reason the two don’t seem to mix well. Then again, maybe we just stick DSP up there when he is healthy and move Ryan down to the second line and see how that works out.

by DavidBL on Feb 6, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s a risk worth taking. I don’t see him convincing anybody else he’s worth more than 3 million. That’s a great top 6 upgrade at that cost.

by Daniel AC on Feb 6, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I was gunna go closer to 2 2.5. He has a lot to prove right now.

by DavidBL on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t know if it’s a lot to prove. The guy scored 20+ goals in 4 seasons of a 5 year deal. He had a bad contract year and that’s really going to hurt, but he hasn’t been dead weight for the entirety of that contract. I can see him coming in at less than 3, but I can’t see him coming in at anymore than 3. I was setting the high. If he’s going to cost more than 3 as a ufa, the Ducks should pass. It’s just not a good enough deal.

by Daniel AC on Feb 6, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Im starting to feel like i argue with you on every point now….

So ill start with, i agree that Lydman, Blake and Hagman should be traded. I agree. Particularly Lydman. I just cant see how he can stay on this team with its current make up, and his cap hit isnt terrible. Someone should pick him up even if its nt for much.

Lubo im not so sure about. I understand that he might be the best offensive Defenceman on the table and ths may net the largest return of what we have on offer. BUT, where do we see ourselves next year? If its minor tweaking to become a playoff team, then we’d be much better off keeping him than moving him for the very reason that he is a gun offense guy (and cash cheap). It would be a stretch to ask for the same quality of play (and production) from Schultz in his fist year. Depends on where you see the team ranked next year…

You might actually be able to move blake for penner and a pick, they seem so desperate to get rid of him. But for the life of me i cant see a reason to get him back here. He had one ok year with Getzlaf and Perry and has done sweet FA since. I understand the nostalgic thoughts you may have, but what has he shown in the past few years? Sure its a low risk, but there just have to be better targets out there even if said targets are 2nd/3rd round picks. If we end up with penner then murray does deserve to be sacked.

by BennyLightning on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 AM PST reply actions  

mhh i’m not so sure about your view on vis and Penner.

i have to agree here with Daniel.

Visnovsky is a great offensive weapon, but he is no help on the defensive game of the game. I think we will be ok with Schultz / Vataanen / who ever to step in that PP duty. Besides, our hardest makeover on the PP is the replacement of Selanne.
I was never high on Vis, so maybe i undervalue what he brings to the table, but i just can’t see him reach his career year again next year, with him beeing a year older and not really playing NHL level hockey this year.

Penner hasn’t shown much in his past years, but he played for Edmonton and had a really rough year with the Kings.
If we could get him for .. let’s say Blake, i would totally risk it. I think we need Bobby on the 2nd line next year / trade him this deadline, so we can improve our depth scoring when Selanne is gone. I think Penner is a good (not great, but better than Hagman/Beleskey) complementary player to the twins. He is capable of the cycling game of the 2, he can be nasty and he has proven that he is able to net 20-30 goals. I think Penner could be a option.

Daniel why haven’t you mentioned Palmieri? I think he could suit well in a trade for a new top 6 forward / top 4 Defender. He hasn’t impressed me at all in his stints with the Ducks, but he is tearing up the AHL and may fetch a great return in a trade.

by Freakle on Feb 6, 2012 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

First, I don’t know where this team is next year, but I don’t think it’s a contender. This team will be better served by liquidating Visnovsky for something better. The other side of the coin is this: this team can’t get into a sweepstakes for a big time defender with Lubo on the roster.

Penner has been a 20 goal scorer 4 of the past 6 seasons. He earned his money in Edmonton. The problem was there was nobody around him. If we’re gonna say that Cogs wasn’t good because of the team, you have to say the same thing about Penner. Penner has been straight awful in L.A., but it’s the only place he’s been so bad. It’s worth the risk, if it only costs us a late pick. Murray has to at least pick up the phone and see what it’ll cost.

I didn’t mention Palmieri, because I think he should only be moved in a package for a better overall player. I think we should combine him with Bobby and see if there’s a #1 defender we can get. That type of deal shouldn’t happen at the deadline when people are mostly trying to keep their awesome players.

by Daniel AC on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Which means we wont get a number 1 defender if teams ate trying to keep their good players. A top 3 core trade will happen over the summer if it does at all. Agreed about Penner though. I feel its a move that should wait to see if DSP could possibly fill that role though.

by DavidBL on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t know about that. If Bobby becomes a piece for a top defender, DSP on the top line makes less sense, because we’ll need him for depth. Moreover, that type of deal will probably cost a prospect like Palmieri as well. The Ducks should try to move forward prospects not D in that pursuit of a #1 guy. That’s why Nashville is such an appealing partner. They grow D like California grows grapes; it’s ridiculous.

If/when the Ducks move Bobby, or any of the big 3 for that matter, a guy like Penner makes sense. He has top 6 potential and is coming off a bad year. He’s a cheap option that can fill the gap.

by Daniel AC on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking seperately. Before we move Ryan try DSP on the top line and bump Ryan. Down. If we move Ryan we’ll need another top 6 and I agree Penner is probably the cheapest and promising move.

by DavidBL on Feb 6, 2012 11:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It would be interesting if the Ducks “rent out” the entire 2nd line of Hagma or Blake w/ Koivu and Selanne for some young prospects or players that need to crack the lineup, but would be effective role players. Obviously the prospect of this actually happening is VERY VERY low, but it would be interesting especially for a team like say Winnipeg! I think all three would be an upgrade of sorts to a lot of there bottom 9 forwards if not all 12.

And I say “rent out” because I’d love to see Hagman and Koivu back and if Selanne decides to play one more year it would be great to have him back too!

All these other guys can go, but Lubo. Although on the one hand he keeps getting injured, but if Murray can actually swing a deal to get a Suter or Weber type over here Lubo would be expendable. But so far Murray hasn’t shown us that he can do that so it’s hard to see Lubo go. We just never know when another Boynton or Whitney or even Wizniewski will show up!

by CoachZ on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 AM PST reply actions  

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